• Arcane Jill (13/13) May 30 2004 I thought I'd take the time to write this post because ... well ... I do...
• Ant (6/9) May 30 2004 Most of us already did, but allow me to add my voice to your's
• Walter (2/2) May 30 2004 Thanks, guys! Your interest and involvement in the D project is what kee...
• ameer armaly (5/16) May 30 2004 Yep. > Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.
• Bruno A. Costa (6/25) May 31 2004 D is really a great language. It fixes inummerous problems in C/C++. I w...
• Lynn Allan (19/32) Jun 05 2004 Hi Arcane Jill et'al,
• Matthew (3/42) Jun 06 2004 Hear, hear! This NG stands out in the areas you mention.
• an interested lurker (5/16) Jun 08 2004 A good observation is that the civility, respectfulness, and
• Walter (3/8) Jun 09 2004 I'll have you know I have a bigger and mightier ego than Matthew's.
• Matthew (3/11) Jun 09 2004 Ain't that the truth! ;)
• Kris (24/37) Jun 09 2004 You know, I really do have to agree with that skulking anonymous lurker....
• Matthew (16/58) Jun 09 2004 This is all _way_ over my head. Given that anonymous lurker is anonymous...
• Sean Kelly (6/11) Jun 09 2004 At some point we'll probably need a moderated NG, but as that's even mor...

Arcane Jill <Arcane_member pathlink.com> writes:

I thought I'd take the time to write this post because ... well ... I don't
think I've actually seen anyone say this, and someone should.

Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

Of course we're going to see a lot of critique on this forum. Its the place for
discussion, the place where bugs get reported, and so on, and I'm sure we've all
got out little gripes that we like to grumble about.

But think now about how honored we are. D does have features which C++ does not.
But we can't exactly head off to a C++ forum and complain about the deficiencies
of C++ compared with D. (Well, we /could/, but what good would it do?).

And yet here we are, at the dawn (nay, the pre-dawn) of a new era. And the guy
in charge of the compiler actually listens to suggestions.

I find all this very exciting. Cheers to everyone involved.
Jill

Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c9d86u$f04$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Arcane Jill says...
I thought I'd take the time to write this post because ... well ... I don't
think I've actually seen anyone say this, and someone should.

Most of us already did, but allow me to add my voice to your's
and say again:
Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

I also thank Walter and Digital Mars on my D projects web pages.

Ant

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

Thanks, guys! Your interest and involvement in the D project is what keeps
it going and getting better all the time.

ameer armaly <ameer charter.net> writes:

On Sun, 30 May 2004, Ant wrote:

 In article <c9d86u$f04$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Arcane Jill says...
I thought I'd take the time to write this post because ... well ... I don't
think I've actually seen anyone say this, and someone should.

 Most of us already did, but allow me to add my voice to your's
 and say again:
 Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

Yep.  > Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.
I've only been playing with it for a couple of weeks and am glad to see
something that doesn't live off pointers and other  old methods that just
don't make sense now, and  I'm just outright hooked! > >
Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

 I also thank Walter and Digital Mars on my D projects web pages.

 Ant

"Bruno A. Costa" <bruno codata.com.br> writes:

Arcane Jill wrote:

 I thought I'd take the time to write this post because ... well ... I
 don't think I've actually seen anyone say this, and someone should.
 
 Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

D is really a great language. It fixes inummerous problems in C/C++. I was
searching a language like this for months. The power and flexibility of C
and the security of Java.

Thanks Walter and all the guys that suport the project.

Bruno.

 
 Of course we're going to see a lot of critique on this forum. Its the
 place for discussion, the place where bugs get reported, and so on, and
 I'm sure we've all got out little gripes that we like to grumble about.
 
 But think now about how honored we are. D does have features which C++
 does not. But we can't exactly head off to a C++ forum and complain about
 the deficiencies of C++ compared with D. (Well, we /could/, but what good
 would it do?).
 
 And yet here we are, at the dawn (nay, the pre-dawn) of a new era. And the
 guy in charge of the compiler actually listens to suggestions.
 
 I find all this very exciting. Cheers to everyone involved.
 Jill

"Lynn Allan" <l.allan att.net> writes:

Hi Arcane Jill et'al,

One of the things I appreciate about D & Walter is the civility and
productivity of [t]his newsgroup.

In the past, I submitted serveral questions [quickly answered ... thx], but
have mostly been lurking lately. I'm pondering whether to convert an
existing C++ / MFC gui freeware app to D. One of the larger considerations
is the availability of assistance, and the associated 'pain threshold' for a
newbie to get help.

The contrast to other lists/newsgroups I've been involved in is refreshing
and inviting. This newsgroup could be a model of how others should function.

Lynn A.

"Arcane Jill" <Arcane_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:c9d86u$f04$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I thought I'd take the time to write this post because ... well ... I

don't
 think I've actually seen anyone say this, and someone should.

 Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

 Of course we're going to see a lot of critique on this forum. Its the

place for
 discussion, the place where bugs get reported, and so on, and I'm sure

we've all
 got out little gripes that we like to grumble about.

 But think now about how honored we are. D does have features which C++

does not.
 But we can't exactly head off to a C++ forum and complain about the

deficiencies
 of C++ compared with D. (Well, we /could/, but what good would it do?).

 And yet here we are, at the dawn (nay, the pre-dawn) of a new era. And the

guy
 in charge of the compiler actually listens to suggestions.

 I find all this very exciting. Cheers to everyone involved.
 Jill

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"Lynn Allan" <l.allan att.net> wrote in message
news:c9sjo0$1k3s$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Hi Arcane Jill et'al,

 One of the things I appreciate about D & Walter is the civility and
 productivity of [t]his newsgroup.

 In the past, I submitted serveral questions [quickly answered ... thx], but
 have mostly been lurking lately. I'm pondering whether to convert an
 existing C++ / MFC gui freeware app to D. One of the larger considerations
 is the availability of assistance, and the associated 'pain threshold' for a
 newbie to get help.

 The contrast to other lists/newsgroups I've been involved in is refreshing
 and inviting. This newsgroup could be a model of how others should function.

Hear, hear! This NG stands out in the areas you mention.

 Lynn A.

 "Arcane Jill" <Arcane_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
 news:c9d86u$f04$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I thought I'd take the time to write this post because ... well ... I

 don't
 think I've actually seen anyone say this, and someone should.

 Thanks, Walter. D is brilliant.

 Of course we're going to see a lot of critique on this forum. Its the

 place for
 discussion, the place where bugs get reported, and so on, and I'm sure

 we've all
 got out little gripes that we like to grumble about.

 But think now about how honored we are. D does have features which C++

 does not.
 But we can't exactly head off to a C++ forum and complain about the

 deficiencies
 of C++ compared with D. (Well, we /could/, but what good would it do?).

 And yet here we are, at the dawn (nay, the pre-dawn) of a new era. And the

 guy
 in charge of the compiler actually listens to suggestions.

 I find all this very exciting. Cheers to everyone involved.
 Jill

an interested lurker <an_member pathlink.com> writes:

A good observation is that the civility, respectfulness, and 
the refreshing nature of this newsgroup corresponds to the 
degree of control shown by Matthew Wilson over his ego, as 
well as the exercise of forethought shown by 'mighty ego' 
Matthew.



"Lynn Allan" <l.allan att.net> wrote in message
news:c9sjo0$1k3s$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Hi Arcane Jill et'al,

 One of the things I appreciate about D & Walter is the civility and
 productivity of [t]his newsgroup.
<snip><snip>

 The contrast to other lists/newsgroups I've been involved in is refreshing
 and inviting. This newsgroup could be a model of how others should function.

<snip><snip>

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"an interested lurker" <an_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:ca53l0$2fer$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 A good observation is that the civility, respectfulness, and
 the refreshing nature of this newsgroup corresponds to the
 degree of control shown by Matthew Wilson over his ego, as
 well as the exercise of forethought shown by 'mighty ego'
 Matthew.

I'll have you know I have a bigger and mightier ego than Matthew's.

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:ca7tbp$li3$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "an interested lurker" <an_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
 news:ca53l0$2fer$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 A good observation is that the civility, respectfulness, and
 the refreshing nature of this newsgroup corresponds to the
 degree of control shown by Matthew Wilson over his ego, as
 well as the exercise of forethought shown by 'mighty ego'
 Matthew.

 I'll have you know I have a bigger and mightier ego than Matthew's.

Ain't that the truth! ;)

"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> writes:

You know, I really do have to agree with that skulking anonymous lurker. Not
that I support the claim against Matthew (per se :-), but the observation
itself has some fundamental truths to it. Unfortunately, the nature of an NG
tends to fall prey to "squeaky wheel" syndrome.

Each day it seems there's another half-dozen posts that borderline-abuse the
basic notions of civility and self-control, or aggrandize through flaccid
pomposity.

I, for one, have been thoroughly discouraged from posting recently simply
because there's been a vast increase in the megalomania/ foot-stomping/
SHOUTING level during the last two or three weeks. Now, there are those who
may be glad to see the back of me and my wimpy ignorant perspective, or
indeed feel that I never has anything of value to contribute anyway; but I
wonder how many truly valuable posts are being stifled from others who catch
the same acrid whiff as I?

Anyway; the NG is what it is. All I can personally do about it is to either
become less sensitive, avoid the NG altogether, or hope that certain
supposedly mature individuals get over themselves and their 1.5 seconds of
fame. Of course ~ then another is bound to come along <sigh>

There is a true wealth of information in the collective mind present here;
Wouldn't it suck to see that permanently tainted by a few squeaky wheels ...
?

- Kris


"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
news:ca7vfd$ovc$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:ca7tbp$li3$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "an interested lurker" <an_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
 news:ca53l0$2fer$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 A good observation is that the civility, respectfulness, and
 the refreshing nature of this newsgroup corresponds to the
 degree of control shown by Matthew Wilson over his ego, as
 well as the exercise of forethought shown by 'mighty ego'
 Matthew.

 I'll have you know I have a bigger and mightier ego than Matthew's.

 Ain't that the truth! ;)

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> wrote in message
news:ca821l$t0k$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 You know, I really do have to agree with that skulking anonymous lurker. Not
 that I support the claim against Matthew (per se :-), but the observation
 itself has some fundamental truths to it. Unfortunately, the nature of an NG
 tends to fall prey to "squeaky wheel" syndrome.

This is all _way_ over my head. Given that anonymous lurker is anonymous, it's
hard to intuit the purpose of their post. Sarcasm, barb, or both? It's beyond
me,
I'm afraid

For my part, I'm a simple soul: if I've p-eed anyone off, please just tell me.
If
I agree, I'll apologise. If I don't, I won't, but I'll probably apply a
different
output filter when replying to that person in the future.

Any takers?

 Each day it seems there's another half-dozen posts that borderline-abuse the
 basic notions of civility and self-control, or aggrandize through flaccid
 pomposity.

 I, for one, have been thoroughly discouraged from posting recently simply
 because there's been a vast increase in the megalomania/ foot-stomping/
 SHOUTING level during the last two or three weeks.

I've dropped off also, partly for the same reason. It's getting to the point
like
there's too much traffic to digest, and much of it _very_ long-winded. I can
only
assume that Walter has decided not to sleep anymore.

(Or you can always just block messages from really rude people, then you're not
troubled by them again. Works a treat.)

 Now, there are those who
 may be glad to see the back of me and my wimpy ignorant perspective, or
 indeed feel that I never has anything of value to contribute anyway; but I
 wonder how many truly valuable posts are being stifled from others who catch
 the same acrid whiff as I?

 Anyway; the NG is what it is. All I can personally do about it is to either
 become less sensitive, avoid the NG altogether, or hope that certain
 supposedly mature individuals get over themselves and their 1.5 seconds of
 fame. Of course ~ then another is bound to come along <sigh>

I think you need to stick it out, at least until Mango has become all it can be.

 There is a true wealth of information in the collective mind present here;
 Wouldn't it suck to see that permanently tainted by a few squeaky wheels ...
 ?

It would.


 - Kris


 "Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
 news:ca7vfd$ovc$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:ca7tbp$li3$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "an interested lurker" <an_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
 news:ca53l0$2fer$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 A good observation is that the civility, respectfulness, and
 the refreshing nature of this newsgroup corresponds to the
 degree of control shown by Matthew Wilson over his ego, as
 well as the exercise of forethought shown by 'mighty ego'
 Matthew.

 I'll have you know I have a bigger and mightier ego than Matthew's.

 Ain't that the truth! ;)

Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:

In article <ca83ap$v4i$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Matthew says...
"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> wrote in message

 There is a true wealth of information in the collective mind present here;
 Wouldn't it suck to see that permanently tainted by a few squeaky wheels ...
 ?

It would.

At some point we'll probably need a moderated NG, but as that's even more work
for someone I'd rather that time be a long way off.  I've been enjoying Walter's
responsiveness recently and would hate to see him get sick of the drama and
start ignoring us ;)

Sean