• =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= (12/23) Mar 20 2005 In case anyone wonder what "Objective-C++" is,
• Jarrett Billingsley (3/15) Mar 20 2005 That's horrendous. :)
• Ben Hinkle (6/11) Mar 20 2005 Has Apple ever chosen the "right" language? Pascal... Object Pascal...
• =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= (11/13) Mar 20 2005 Not really, just that market forces made them support C++ and Java.

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:

In case anyone wonder what "Objective-C++" is,
it is the ultimate mongrel: the bastard child
of Objective-C and C++... Mostly useful for
writing wrappers to Objective-C system libraries
for use with C++ class libraries (on Mac OS X)

But you *could* write nice little programs like:

main.mm:
 #include <iostream>
 #import <Cocoa/Cocoa.h>
 using namespace std;
 int main()
 {
 NSAutoreleasePool *pool = [[NSAutoreleasePool alloc] init];
 NSString *aString = [NSString stringWithString: "Hello, World!"];
 cout << [aString cString] << endl;
 [pool release];
 return 0;
 }

Operative keyword here being "can", not "want" :-)

--anders

PS. There even seems to be a D project:
     http://www.dsource.org/projects/docoa/
     How about "Objective-D", anyone ? :-)

"Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:

"Anders F Björklund" <afb algonet.se> wrote in message 
news:d1kscp$1du7$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 main.mm:
 #include <iostream>
 #import <Cocoa/Cocoa.h>
 using namespace std;
 int main()
 {
 NSAutoreleasePool *pool = [[NSAutoreleasePool alloc] init];
 NSString *aString = [NSString stringWithString: "Hello, World!"];
 cout << [aString cString] << endl;
 [pool release];
 return 0;
 }


That's horrendous.  :) 

"Ben Hinkle" <ben.hinkle gmail.com> writes:

"Anders F Björklund" <afb algonet.se> wrote in message 
news:d1kscp$1du7$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In case anyone wonder what "Objective-C++" is,
 it is the ultimate mongrel: the bastard child
 of Objective-C and C++... Mostly useful for
 writing wrappers to Objective-C system libraries
 for use with C++ class libraries (on Mac OS X)

Has Apple ever chosen the "right" language? Pascal... Object Pascal... 
Objective-C... maybe they are finally starting to come around. oh well :-P
I just wish Dylan had worked out. Imagine a mainstream system API entirely 
in lisp - yikes. 

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:

Ben Hinkle wrote:

 Has Apple ever chosen the "right" language? Pascal... Object Pascal... 
 Objective-C... maybe they are finally starting to come around. oh well :-P

Not really, just that market forces made them support C++ and Java.
The "preferred" language for all of NeXTStep is still Objective-C...


(there's also the procedural API, Carbon, but that is Pascal-inspired
C - not* C++, and there are of course the Java 1.4 JVM libraries too)

* Unless you count the MacApp class library as a "system" library ?
   http://developer.apple.com/tools/macapp/ (no longer supported)


Compared to ugly C++, Objective-C(++) is not that bad. But D is better
Mac OS X also runs that Java clone by that other Monopoly company. ;-)

--anders

PS. Follow the rest of the D-for-Mac discussion in the D.gnu newsgroup.