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digitalmars.D - Let's split!

reply Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
I can't handle this volume any more.

I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


I'd now have to have TWO laptops, side by side, just to see the threads. 
By the time I need a third, I'll have to give up entirely.

And to get any kind of overview, even of a single thread, I need two 
laptops vertically.

That's four laptops total.



I don't care how ingenious, or how stupid the split is!
Just any, whatever!

We (i.e. others than Walter and Matthew) can't read everything, and the 
way things are, what never gets read becomes increasingly random.

For example, I've now 425 unread posts. If I do any replies (that are 
worth something, i.e. I need to think what I write) while trying to 
catch up, I can only see the unreads growing and growing and growing.

How the hell am I supposed to start working on the meta thing, if my 
entire time goes to reading???





Damn it! There are so many ways to split! Please, choose one if you're 
out of ideas:

   help
   suggestions
   ramblig
   serious

or

   newbies
   non-newbie-problems
   packaging
   language-discussion
   ideas
   other

or

   newbie-help
   serious-proposals
   bar-room-pseudo-philosophising
   other-bandwidth-littering
   intellectual-duels
   proper-discussion

or

   threads-started-by-authors-A..M
   threads-started-by-authors-N..Z
   threads-started-by-Walter

or

   threads-started-in-a-whim
   threads-started-just-because-im-bored
   threads-started-to-show-off
   threads-started-to-pick-on-D-or-Walter
   threads-started-because-im-frustrated-on-d-or-my-wife
   threads-which-should-not-even-have-been-started
   other-hopefully-this-is-worth-reading

WHAT-CRAPPIN-EVER! But please, do something, now.
Pretty please!

--------------------------------------------

Aw,what the heck, maybe I'll just skip this all for three weeks, till 
I've created an AI filter into my newsreader.

Sigh.
Mar 13 2005
next sibling parent Manfred Nowak <svv1999 hotmail.com> writes:
Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> wrote:


 I can't handle this volume any more.
 
 I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to
 be done! 


[...]


 I don't care how ingenious, or how stupid the split is!
 Just any, whatever!
 
 We (i.e. others than Walter and Matthew) can't read everything,
 and the way things are, what never gets read becomes
 increasingly random. 


[...]

I agree with you, that the traffic is too large to be handled by a 
single instance of human kind without automatic filtering support.

I disagree that any split would do. A random split does not 
decrease the randomness of unread posts.

So I propose a split into "misc" and "majorgoals", where the posts 
on the major design goals on D according to
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/overview.html
go into "majorgoals".

-manfred
Mar 13 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent "Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown simplemachines.org> writes:
Well, see being that I write forum software (www.simplemachines.org) I 
personally think that newsgroups are about as disorganized as it gets. 
I mean, this group doesn't actually move *all that fast*, but it's all 
in one place mangling things around.

With newsgroups, it doesn't seem to make as much sense to break it up a 
lot, except when there are clear and distinct boundaries.

One thing that might help would be a "digitalmars.d.announce" which 
could handle all announcements (which people might want to see 
exclusively, and could be cross posted) but obviously that wouldn't 
split off that much.

Better than creating a newbies section, I think an "internals" section 
could be created.  The benefit is that all discussion relating to 
static_cast, length, const, enums, warnings, etc. could be put there... 
and newbies would probably stay away from it too.  But naming something 
newbies will not help, because newbies will not post there all of the 
time :P.

-[Unknown]



 I can't handle this volume any more.
 
 I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!
 
 
 I'd now have to have TWO laptops, side by side, just to see the threads. 
 By the time I need a third, I'll have to give up entirely.
 
 And to get any kind of overview, even of a single thread, I need two 
 laptops vertically.
 
 That's four laptops total.
 
 
 
 I don't care how ingenious, or how stupid the split is!
 Just any, whatever!
 
 We (i.e. others than Walter and Matthew) can't read everything, and the 
 way things are, what never gets read becomes increasingly random.
 
 For example, I've now 425 unread posts. If I do any replies (that are 
 worth something, i.e. I need to think what I write) while trying to 
 catch up, I can only see the unreads growing and growing and growing.
 
 How the hell am I supposed to start working on the meta thing, if my 
 entire time goes to reading???
 
 
 

 
 Damn it! There are so many ways to split! Please, choose one if you're 
 out of ideas:
 
   help
   suggestions
   ramblig
   serious
 
 or
 
   newbies
   non-newbie-problems
   packaging
   language-discussion
   ideas
   other
 
 or
 
   newbie-help
   serious-proposals
   bar-room-pseudo-philosophising
   other-bandwidth-littering
   intellectual-duels
   proper-discussion
 
 or
 
   threads-started-by-authors-A..M
   threads-started-by-authors-N..Z
   threads-started-by-Walter
 
 or
 
   threads-started-in-a-whim
   threads-started-just-because-im-bored
   threads-started-to-show-off
   threads-started-to-pick-on-D-or-Walter
   threads-started-because-im-frustrated-on-d-or-my-wife
   threads-which-should-not-even-have-been-started
   other-hopefully-this-is-worth-reading
 
 WHAT-CRAPPIN-EVER! But please, do something, now.
 Pretty please!
 
 --------------------------------------------
 
 Aw,what the heck, maybe I'll just skip this all for three weeks, till 
 I've created an AI filter into my newsreader.
 
 Sigh.
Mar 13 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent "Ivan Senji" <ivan.senji public.srce.hr> writes:
"Georg Wrede" <georg.wrede nospam.org> wrote in message
news:42340432.4010404 nospam.org...

 I can't handle this volume any more.

 I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


 I'd now have to have TWO laptops, side by side, just to see the threads.
 By the time I need a third, I'll have to give up entirely.

 And to get any kind of overview, even of a single thread, I need two
 laptops vertically.

 That's four laptops total.



 I don't care how ingenious, or how stupid the split is!
 Just any, whatever!

 We (i.e. others than Walter and Matthew) can't read everything, and the
 way things are, what never gets read becomes increasingly random.

 For example, I've now 425 unread posts.


Only? I've been in a hospital for 10 days and now have 1908 unread only in
this NG!

:-)

<snip>
Mar 13 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply jicman <jicman_member pathlink.com> writes:
What happened to "...we are the world, we are the children.  We are the one to
make a brighter new day, so let's start giving..."  You know, "there's a choice
we're making.  We're saving our own lives.  It's true!  We'll make a better day
just you and me."  Well, something like that.  I'm sorry.  I couldn't resits.
If you all read every posts, dang, I'm in the wrong place.  I look at the title
and I say, "hhmmmm, not interested... mmmmmm, nope.... hmmmmm, what's this?  Let
me check it out."  And that's why I have catchy subjects, otherwise I would
think people would skip them.  But again, I'm just a single Dominican guy. :-)

However, we should have a beginner's or perhaps a D-QandA, where programming
questions are post.  Just a thought...

jic

Georg Wrede says...

I can't handle this volume any more.

I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


I'd now have to have TWO laptops, side by side, just to see the threads. 
By the time I need a third, I'll have to give up entirely.

And to get any kind of overview, even of a single thread, I need two 
laptops vertically.

That's four laptops total.



I don't care how ingenious, or how stupid the split is!
Just any, whatever!

We (i.e. others than Walter and Matthew) can't read everything, and the 
way things are, what never gets read becomes increasingly random.

For example, I've now 425 unread posts. If I do any replies (that are 
worth something, i.e. I need to think what I write) while trying to 
catch up, I can only see the unreads growing and growing and growing.

How the hell am I supposed to start working on the meta thing, if my 
entire time goes to reading???





Damn it! There are so many ways to split! Please, choose one if you're 
out of ideas:

   help
   suggestions
   ramblig
   serious

or

   newbies
   non-newbie-problems
   packaging
   language-discussion
   ideas
   other

or

   newbie-help
   serious-proposals
   bar-room-pseudo-philosophising
   other-bandwidth-littering
   intellectual-duels
   proper-discussion

or

   threads-started-by-authors-A..M
   threads-started-by-authors-N..Z
   threads-started-by-Walter

or

   threads-started-in-a-whim
   threads-started-just-because-im-bored
   threads-started-to-show-off
   threads-started-to-pick-on-D-or-Walter
   threads-started-because-im-frustrated-on-d-or-my-wife
   threads-which-should-not-even-have-been-started
   other-hopefully-this-is-worth-reading

WHAT-CRAPPIN-EVER! But please, do something, now.
Pretty please!

--------------------------------------------

Aw,what the heck, maybe I'll just skip this all for three weeks, till 
I've created an AI filter into my newsreader.

Sigh.
Mar 13 2005
parent "Charles" <cee-lo green.com> writes:
 And that's why I have catchy subjects, otherwise I would
 think people would skip them.  But again, I'm just a single Dominican guy.


:-)

You do have catchy subjects ;).



"jicman" <jicman_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:d11ehf$23nk$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 What happened to "...we are the world, we are the children.  We are the


one to

 make a brighter new day, so let's start giving..."  You know, "there's a


choice

 we're making.  We're saving our own lives.  It's true!  We'll make a


better day

 just you and me."  Well, something like that.  I'm sorry.  I couldn't


resits.

 If you all read every posts, dang, I'm in the wrong place.  I look at the


title

 and I say, "hhmmmm, not interested... mmmmmm, nope.... hmmmmm, what's


this?  Let

 me check it out."  And that's why I have catchy subjects, otherwise I


would

 think people would skip them.  But again, I'm just a single Dominican guy.


:-)

 However, we should have a beginner's or perhaps a D-QandA, where


programming

 questions are post.  Just a thought...

 jic

 Georg Wrede says...

I can't handle this volume any more.

I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


I'd now have to have TWO laptops, side by side, just to see the threads.
By the time I need a third, I'll have to give up entirely.

And to get any kind of overview, even of a single thread, I need two
laptops vertically.

That's four laptops total.



I don't care how ingenious, or how stupid the split is!
Just any, whatever!

We (i.e. others than Walter and Matthew) can't read everything, and the
way things are, what never gets read becomes increasingly random.

For example, I've now 425 unread posts. If I do any replies (that are
worth something, i.e. I need to think what I write) while trying to
catch up, I can only see the unreads growing and growing and growing.

How the hell am I supposed to start working on the meta thing, if my
entire time goes to reading???





Damn it! There are so many ways to split! Please, choose one if you're
out of ideas:

   help
   suggestions
   ramblig
   serious

or

   newbies
   non-newbie-problems
   packaging
   language-discussion
   ideas
   other

or

   newbie-help
   serious-proposals
   bar-room-pseudo-philosophising
   other-bandwidth-littering
   intellectual-duels
   proper-discussion

or

   threads-started-by-authors-A..M
   threads-started-by-authors-N..Z
   threads-started-by-Walter

or

   threads-started-in-a-whim
   threads-started-just-because-im-bored
   threads-started-to-show-off
   threads-started-to-pick-on-D-or-Walter
   threads-started-because-im-frustrated-on-d-or-my-wife
   threads-which-should-not-even-have-been-started
   other-hopefully-this-is-worth-reading

WHAT-CRAPPIN-EVER! But please, do something, now.
Pretty please!

--------------------------------------------

Aw,what the heck, maybe I'll just skip this all for three weeks, till
I've created an AI filter into my newsreader.

Sigh.
Mar 14 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:

 I can't handle this volume any more.
 
 I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


I've been thinking the same thing for a few days, but I've been afraid 
to say it. The potential problem is (as always) that it may be difficult 
to get the messages corralled into the new groups in a consistent manner 
(especially if the purposes of the groups aren't well-established).

Here's my suggestion for the post-split groups:

dm.D
* Newbies
* General D philosophy
* "Hi, nice to meet you."
* Anything else that doesn't fit into one of the groups below.

dm.D.announce
* Announce new websites, new projects, new builds of existing projects, 
etc.
* Completely [Off Topic] threads.

dm.D.existential
* Only experts get to start threads.
* Discuss things that people who had followed the D newsgroup for a 
while have probably already noticed (but need to be discussed again)
* Discuss internal compiler/library matters ("Why is object.printf still 
there?").

dm.D.features
* Ask for something new (that someone else probably requested 6 months ago).
* Ask for a changed feature (that someone else probably requested 2 
years ago).
* Ask for semi-colons to be optional.

-- 
Justin (a/k/a jcc7)
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/
Mar 13 2005
parent Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
J C Calvarese wrote:

 Georg Wrede wrote:
 

 I can't handle this volume any more.

 I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


 
 
 I've been thinking the same thing for a few days, but I've been afraid 
 to say it. 


You ain't alone!! I bet a few others feel like it too!

ONE THING we could achieve with a split (be it whatever) is that the 
threads would hopefully get shorter, or not at least as deep!

TODAY, when somebody gets a good idea, it might be right in a deep 
thread. As there "is only one" thread, nobody is motivated to check 
whether this new idea would belong somewhere. Then they just blurt their 
idea in that thread, causing potentially lots of readers to miss the 
post, since they've skipped the entire thread in an attempt to prune 
_something_!

So, the mere existence of choice for postings, will cause people to 
_think_ where to post. Ultimately, even make it more likely to start a 
new thread, at the very least.
Mar 14 2005
prev sibling parent reply "Charlie Patterson" <charliep1 excite.com> writes:
"Georg Wrede" <georg.wrede nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:42340432.4010404 nospam.org...

I can't handle this volume any more.

 I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


A superficial split wouldn't hurt for things like announcements or whatever. 
But I think the real "problem" is that lots of discussion is going on.  I 
think it will die back down once ideas (and tempers) have calmed down.

If you want to help to that end, maybe you can have a poll to capture 
people's feelings about the main issues, or something.
Mar 14 2005
parent Derek Parnell <derek psych.ward> writes:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:48:01 -0500, Charlie Patterson wrote:


 "Georg Wrede" <georg.wrede nospam.org> wrote in message 
 news:42340432.4010404 nospam.org...

I can't handle this volume any more.

 I don't care how this newsgroup is split, but something has to be done!


 
 A superficial split wouldn't hurt for things like announcements or whatever. 
 But I think the real "problem" is that lots of discussion is going on.  I 
 think it will die back down once ideas (and tempers) have calmed down.
 
 If you want to help to that end, maybe you can have a poll to capture 
 people's feelings about the main issues, or something.


I think you are right, Charlie. I suspect that with more groups, you will
just get more misplaced discussions.

-- 
Derek
Melbourne, Australia
15/03/2005 10:37:01 AM
Mar 14 2005