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reply "Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> writes:
The following code does not compile, is it supposed?

interface ITest {
    static void func();
}

class Test : ITest {
    static void func() {

    }
}
int main(char[][] args) {
    ITest t = new Test;
    t.func();
}

-- 
Miguel Ferreira Simoes
Dec 23 2004
next sibling parent "Thomas Kuehne" <thomas-dloop kuehne.cn> writes:
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Dec 23 2004
prev sibling parent reply "Charles" <no email.com> writes:
I dont think its supposed to.  If so I would imagine the body in the
interface ( but I dont think interfaces should have static methods ).

Also where can I your NN code again ?  Perhaps you could set it up on
dsource ?

Thanks,
Charlie
"Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:cqe7j0$2fl3$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 The following code does not compile, is it supposed?

 interface ITest {
     static void func();
 }

 class Test : ITest {
     static void func() {

     }
 }
 int main(char[][] args) {
     ITest t = new Test;
     t.func();
 }

 --
 Miguel Ferreira Simoes
Dec 23 2004
next sibling parent reply "Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> writes:
I think the problem is still there if i subsitute the interface for an 
abstract class.

You said you are against static methods in interfaces. Why?

Right now my homepage is down. But I will re-activate it a near future.
If you want I can e-mail you a copy of my NN code (the project is 
temporarily halted until February, because I do not have time).

Miguel Ferreira Simoes
Dec 23 2004
parent reply "Charles" <no email.com> writes:
 You said you are against static methods in interfaces. Why?


I see them as purley an abstraction , a contract saying 'you must implement
these' , as opposed to a structure or something that would contain code or
variables.

I usually do :

interface IFoo {}
class AbstractFoo : IFoo { static void bar() {} ; int inheritedVariable; }


allow static methods in interfaces ?


 If you want I can e-mail you a copy of my NN code


Please :).  greenelephant.charles gmail.com

Also do you know a good online source about neural networks ( the examples
Ive seen dont incorporate noise / cost / regularization ).

Thanks,
Charlie

"Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> wrote in message
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 I think the problem is still there if i subsitute the interface for an
 abstract class.

 You said you are against static methods in interfaces. Why?

 Right now my homepage is down. But I will re-activate it a near future.
 If you want I can e-mail you a copy of my NN code (the project is
 temporarily halted until February, because I do not have time).

 Miguel Ferreira Simoes
Dec 23 2004
parent Sjoerd van Leent <svanleent wanadoo.nl> writes:
Charles wrote:

You said you are against static methods in interfaces. Why?


 
 
 I see them as purley an abstraction , a contract saying 'you must implement
 these' , as opposed to a structure or something that would contain code or
 variables.
 
 I usually do :
 
 interface IFoo {}
 class AbstractFoo : IFoo { static void bar() {} ; int inheritedVariable; }
 

 allow static methods in interfaces ?
 


Yes both Java and .NET do, however, I think that is an ugly method. For 
D it isn't necessary due to the fact that it also supports pure 
procedural development (hibrid development). Therefor a D source file 
can declare methods right into the module body.

Abstract classes are not meant to interface, but are mostly used for 
predefined functionality, which may or may not depend on extra methods 
needed by one or more already specified methods.

Interfaces are not meant for abstraction in the manner of making code 
more reusable (as abstract classes do), but abstraction in the manner of 
making components more reusable. This also makes it possible for 
interfaces to develop components using a modulair approach (using Shared 
Libraries, COM, CORBA, etcetera) and therefor behave (more) dynamic.

Regards,
Sjoerd
Dec 24 2004
prev sibling parent reply "Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> writes:
I am not saying intefaces should have static methods: that question is 
controversial.
Nevertheless, in my humble opinion, abstract classes should support abstract 
static methods.

It compiles. But gives me a link error when I try to use the static method:

Error 42: Symbol Undefined 
_D6source8graphics5image11ImageLoader11ImageLoader10
extensionsFZAAa
-- errorlevel 1

Miguel Ferreira Simoes
Dec 25 2004
parent reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:cqji9h$26ro$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I am not saying intefaces should have static methods: that question is
 controversial.
 Nevertheless, in my humble opinion, abstract classes should support


abstract

 static methods.

 It compiles. But gives me a link error when I try to use the static


method:

 Error 42: Symbol Undefined
 _D6source8graphics5image11ImageLoader11ImageLoader10
 extensionsFZAAa
 -- errorlevel 1


The trouble is it cannot know which function to call without a 'this'
pointer, and once there is a 'this' pointer, it isn't a static method
anymore!
Dec 27 2004
parent "Thomas Kuehne" <thomas-dloop kuehne.cn> writes:
Walter schrieb in cqoj5a$sle$2 digitaldaemon.com.

 "Miguel Ferreira Simões" <Kobold netcabo.pt> wrote in message

 news:cqji9h$26ro$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I am not saying intefaces should have static methods: that question is
 controversial.
 Nevertheless, in my humble opinion, abstract classes should support
 abstract static methods.

 It compiles. But gives me a link error when I try to use the static
 method:

 Error 42: Symbol Undefined
 _D6source8graphics5image11ImageLoader11ImageLoader10
 extensionsFZAAa
 -- errorlevel 1


 The trouble is it cannot know which function to call without a 'this'
 pointer, and once there is a 'this' pointer, it isn't a static method
 anymore!


Couldn't this be done via the "type pointer"?

1) If there is a 'this' pointer, use the current lookup.
2) Without a 'this' pointer query the type information for static functions.

Thomas
Dec 27 2004