• Walter (7/7) Dec 03 2004 Chuck Allison writes:
• David L. Davis (5/12) Dec 03 2004 Walter: I agree, it was nicely done.
• Ben Hinkle (4/11) Dec 03 2004 nice. Though a little heavy on the special effects. I was getting dizzy
• Ant (10/19) Dec 03 2004 they say something like:
• Ant (9/35) Dec 03 2004 Ok, if you didn't understand (some might have not) I explain:
• Dave (12/43) Dec 04 2004 Don't take it personally Ant, they may not have known about many of the ...
• Sai (13/13) Dec 04 2004 If we really want to sell D to beginners like college students,
• =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= (14/20) Dec 05 2004 Q: Does C or C++ have a "good usable GUI" ?
• John Reimer (7/13) Dec 05 2004 I strongly disagree with the idea of a GUI being included in the phobos ...
• Ant (7/19) Dec 04 2004 I thought the recent version installer was good enough:
• Valéry Croizier (24/29) Dec 04 2004 getting
• John Reimer (10/44) Dec 04 2004 If the included libraries don't work, you might like to try the ones fro...
• John Reimer (3/18) Dec 04 2004 In fact, it doesn't look like the opengl libs are included with the
• Walter (4/13) Dec 04 2004 I put these links into the faq, that should help.

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

Chuck Allison writes:

-----------------------------
In my programming languages course at UVSC I have teams of students
  write a paper and give a presentation on a language they don't know.
  The slides for the D team is at http://uvsc.freshsources.com/D.ppt.
------------------------------

I think they did a nice job!

David L. Davis <SpottedTiger yahoo.com> writes:

In article <coqc7q$20ne$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
Chuck Allison writes:

-----------------------------
In my programming languages course at UVSC I have teams of students
  write a paper and give a presentation on a language they don't know.
  The slides for the D team is at http://uvsc.freshsources.com/D.ppt.
------------------------------

I think they did a nice job!

Walter: I agree, it was nicely done.

David L.

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"Ben Hinkle" <ben.hinkle gmail.com> writes:

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
news:coqc7q$20ne$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Chuck Allison writes:

 -----------------------------
 In my programming languages course at UVSC I have teams of students
  write a paper and give a presentation on a language they don't know.
  The slides for the D team is at http://uvsc.freshsources.com/D.ppt.
 ------------------------------

 I think they did a nice job!

nice. Though a little heavy on the special effects. I was getting dizzy 
watching all those bullets spiralling in. :-) 

Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:46:55 -0800, Walter wrote:

 Chuck Allison writes:
 
 -----------------------------
 In my programming languages course at UVSC I have teams of students
   write a paper and give a presentation on a language they don't know.
   The slides for the D team is at http://uvsc.freshsources.com/D.ppt.
 ------------------------------
 
 I think they did a nice job!

they say something like:
- no decente GUI
- no IDE

do I think they did a nice job? I hope they flunk! :)
this is a perfectly imparcial opinion. ;)


Ant

PS I do not hope they flunk

http://dui.sourceforge.net
http://leds.sourceforge.net

Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:18:29 -0500, Ant wrote:

 On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:46:55 -0800, Walter wrote:
 
 Chuck Allison writes:
 
 -----------------------------
 In my programming languages course at UVSC I have teams of students
   write a paper and give a presentation on a language they don't know.
   The slides for the D team is at http://uvsc.freshsources.com/D.ppt.
 ------------------------------
 
 I think they did a nice job!

 
 they say something like:
 - no decente GUI
 - no IDE
 
 do I think they did a nice job? I hope they flunk! :)
 this is a perfectly imparcial opinion. ;)
 
 
 Ant
 
 PS I do not hope they flunk
 
 http://dui.sourceforge.net
 http://leds.sourceforge.net

Ok, if you didn't understand (some might have not) I explain:
this is to open a discussion of why leds and DUI are 
a piece of sh.....
and if the projects can be improved or should be abandoned.

if you prefer the discussions can be held at:

leds http://www.dsource.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=44
DUI  http://www.dsource.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=45\

Ant

Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <pan.2004.12.04.07.21.03.795465 yahoo.ca>, Ant says...
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:18:29 -0500, Ant wrote:

 On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:46:55 -0800, Walter wrote:
 
 Chuck Allison writes:
 
 -----------------------------
 In my programming languages course at UVSC I have teams of students
   write a paper and give a presentation on a language they don't know.
   The slides for the D team is at http://uvsc.freshsources.com/D.ppt.
 ------------------------------
 
 I think they did a nice job!

 
 they say something like:
 - no decente GUI
 - no IDE
 
 do I think they did a nice job? I hope they flunk! :)
 this is a perfectly imparcial opinion. ;)
 
 
 Ant
 
 PS I do not hope they flunk
 
 http://dui.sourceforge.net
 http://leds.sourceforge.net

Ok, if you didn't understand (some might have not) I explain:
this is to open a discussion of why leds and DUI are 
a piece of sh.....

Don't take it personally Ant, they may not have known about many of the various
projects going on, or maybe they were comparing D in its formative stages to
something very mature like VS.NET or Delphi.

and if the projects can be improved or should be abandoned.

It's commendable that you want to open a discussion on if/how to improve the
stuff you are working on..

I've not used the stuff, but one thing I think may go a long way in getting
people to try it and feedback (based on recent posts) is if you could make
'one-click' installation possible for your DUI library and supporting on both
Windows and Linux. If GTK+ is still the PITA it was a year ago when I installed
it on Windows, I think this would be a big plus.

- Dave

Sai <Sai_member pathlink.com> writes:

If we really want to sell D to beginners like college students,
who would soon be a part of entriprise world,
we NEED to have good usable GUI and good usable Library. 

GUI and Library are the things that attract the beginners. 
No wonder those students at UVSC got disappointed.

Secondly, that GUI needs to be a part of standard library. 
Unless there is a GUI api in standard library, beginners again would
be less encouraged to use D in their collage projects.

I am just suggesting some quick ways to popularize D.

I am saying this because, I am a collage student, and I love D but

templates and operator overloading which D also has).

Sai

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:

Sai wrote:

 If we really want to sell D to beginners like college students,
 who would soon be a part of entriprise world,
 we NEED to have good usable GUI and good usable Library. 

Q: Does C or C++ have a "good usable GUI" ?

I was under the impression you just linked
to some system libraries or other library...

As for a good standard library, *that*
is something that really needs be fixed.

And it gets better with every DMD release,
and there are third party efforts as well ?

 I am saying this because, I am a collage student, and I love D but

 templates and operator overloading which D also has).


(and there are at least three such APIs for Java: AWT, Swing, SWT)

Some nice wrappers for the standard GUI libraries like GTK+ is
nice to have, and something that is actively being worked on...

But I am not sure that D would need a GUI in the phobos library ?

--anders

John Reimer <brk_6502 yahoo.com> writes:

Anders F Björklund wrote:

<snip>

 Some nice wrappers for the standard GUI libraries like GTK+ is
 nice to have, and something that is actively being worked on...
 
 But I am not sure that D would need a GUI in the phobos library ?
 
 --anders

I strongly disagree with the idea of a GUI being included in the phobos or
any standard library.  I think GUI design can not be standardized.  Peoples
tastes vary too much.  Better to have several open source developments
going in this area.

-John

Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:41:31 +0000, Dave wrote:

 In article <pan.2004.12.04.07.21.03.795465 yahoo.ca>, Ant says...
 
 http://dui.sourceforge.net
 http://leds.sourceforge.net


 
 I've not used the stuff, but one thing I think may go a long way in getting
 people to try it and feedback (based on recent posts) is if you could make
 'one-click' installation possible for your DUI library

I thought the recent version installer was good enough:
http://dui.sourceforge.net/windowsInstaller.html

 and supporting on both
 Windows and Linux. If GTK+ is still the PITA it was a year ago when I installed
 it on Windows, I think this would be a big plus.

I also made a GUI wrapper for the compiler (DMD)
http://dui.sourceforge.net/windowsTools.html

the linux environment is simpler, doesn't need these things.

Ant

"Valéry Croizier" <valery freesurf.fr> writes:

"Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> a écrit dans le message de news:
pan.2004.12.04.16.59.34.872260 yahoo.ca...

 I've not used the stuff, but one thing I think may go a long way in


getting
 people to try it and feedback (based on recent posts) is if you could


make
 'one-click' installation possible for your DUI library

 I thought the recent version installer was good enough:
 http://dui.sourceforge.net/windowsInstaller.html

Still doesn't work for me : although I put the glllibs in lib directories of
dm and dmd, the linking of OpenGL examples fails with messages like the
following

testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glFlush
testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glLightfv
testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glLightModelfv
testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glEnable
testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glMaterialfv
testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glMaterialf
testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glPopMatrix
testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glClearColor

etc...

John Reimer <brk_6502 yahoo.com> writes:

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:09:38 +0100, Valéry Croizier wrote:

 "Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> a écrit dans le message de news:
 pan.2004.12.04.16.59.34.872260 yahoo.ca...
 
 I've not used the stuff, but one thing I think may go a long way in


 getting
 people to try it and feedback (based on recent posts) is if you could


 make
 'one-click' installation possible for your DUI library

 I thought the recent version installer was good enough:
 http://dui.sourceforge.net/windowsInstaller.html

 
 Still doesn't work for me : although I put the glllibs in lib directories of
 dm and dmd, the linking of OpenGL examples fails with messages like the
 following
 
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glFlush
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glLightfv
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glLightModelfv
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glEnable
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glMaterialfv
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glMaterialf
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glPopMatrix
 testGL\TestGL.obj(TestGL)
  Error 42: Symbol Undefined _glClearColor
 
 etc...

If the included libraries don't work, you might like to try the ones from
here:

http://svn.dsource.org/svn/projects/bindings/trunk/lib/

download those, and put them in your /dm/lib directory. Also make sure
sc.ini is present in /dm/bin.  Try it again.  Does it work?

Also it looks like Ant provides them as a separate download here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=97723&package_id=136197&release_id=284444

as openGLLibs.zip.  Strange.  These look to be the same files as above.

-John

John Reimer <brk_6502 yahoo.com> writes:

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:09:38 +0100, Valéry Croizier wrote:

 "Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> a écrit dans le message de news:
 pan.2004.12.04.16.59.34.872260 yahoo.ca...
 
 I've not used the stuff, but one thing I think may go a long way in


 getting
 people to try it and feedback (based on recent posts) is if you could


 make
 'one-click' installation possible for your DUI library

 I thought the recent version installer was good enough:
 http://dui.sourceforge.net/windowsInstaller.html

 
 Still doesn't work for me : although I put the glllibs in lib directories of
 dm and dmd, the linking of OpenGL examples fails with messages like the
 following


In fact, it doesn't look like the opengl libs are included with the
windows installer... so no wonder...

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.04.05.18.28.311475 yahoo.ca...
 they say something like:
 - no decente GUI
 - no IDE

 do I think they did a nice job? I hope they flunk! :)
 this is a perfectly imparcial opinion. ;)


 Ant

 PS I do not hope they flunk

 http://dui.sourceforge.net
 http://leds.sourceforge.net

I put these links into the faq, that should help.
www.digitalmars.com/d/faq.html