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D - Let's stop feeding the troll

reply Russ Lewis <spamhole-2001-07-16 deming-os.org> writes:
Frankly, I'm tired of listending to Mr. "D" stir up trouble.  Walter
started this group, and generally it has been very civil.  It's time it
was again.

D, stop flaming.

Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.



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Feb 05 2002
next sibling parent reply "Juan Carlos Arevalo Baeza" <jcab roningames.com> writes:
"Russ Lewis" <spamhole-2001-07-16 deming-os.org> wrote in message
news:3C6052F1.E1FE0BEF deming-os.org...

 Frankly, I'm tired of listending to Mr. "D" stir up trouble.  Walter
 started this group, and generally it has been very civil.  It's time it
 was again.

 D, stop flaming.

 Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
 least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.


   I second this. He brings some valid points, but IMHO his signal/noise
ratio is abysmal.

Salutaciones,
                         JCAB
Feb 05 2002
parent "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
Juan Carlos Arevalo Baeza <jcab roningames.com> wrote in message
news:a3plj1$k1u$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Russ Lewis" <spamhole-2001-07-16 deming-os.org> wrote in message
 news:3C6052F1.E1FE0BEF deming-os.org...

 Frankly, I'm tired of listending to Mr. "D" stir up trouble.  Walter
 started this group, and generally it has been very civil.  It's time it
 was again.

 D, stop flaming.

 Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
 least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.


    I second this. He brings some valid points, but IMHO his signal/noise
 ratio is abysmal.


I recommend the following reading.


Why Things Bite Back
Edward Tenner

If it can go wrong, it will--thus Murphy's Law. Science journalist
Edward Tenner looks more closely at this eternal verity, named after
a U.S. Air Force captain who, during a test of rocket-sled
deceleration, noticed that critical gauges had been improperly set
and concluded, "If there's more than one way to do a job and one
of those ways will end in disaster, then somebody will do it that
way." Tenner concurs, and he gives us myriad case studies of how
technological fixes often create bigger problems than the ones they
were meant to solve in the first place. The indiscriminate use of
antibiotics, by way of example, has yielded hardier strains of
bacteria and viruses that do not respond to pharmaceutical
treatment; the wide-scale use of air conditioning in cities has
raised the outdoor temperature in some places by as much as
10 degrees, adding stress to already-taxed cooling systems; the
modern reliance on medical intervention to deal with simple
illnesses, to say nothing of the rapidly growing number of elective
surgeries, means that even a low percentage of error
(one patient in twenty-five, by a recent estimate) can affect
increasingly large numbers of people. Tenner examines what he
deems the "unintended consequences" of technological innovation,
drawing examples from everyday objects and situations. Although he
recounts disaster after painful disaster, his book makes for
curiously entertaining, if sometimes scary, reading. --Gregory McNamee

The Logic of Failure
Dietrich Dorner, et al

That's Not What We Meant to Do:
Reform and Its Unintended Consequences in the Twentieth Century
Steven M. Gillon

Normal Accidents
Charles Perrow

Systemantics
The Underground Text of Systems Lore
John Gall, D.H. Gall (Illustrator)
Feb 06 2002
prev sibling next sibling parent "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> writes:
Too late!!! ;)

Sean

"Russ Lewis" <spamhole-2001-07-16 deming-os.org> wrote in message
news:3C6052F1.E1FE0BEF deming-os.org...

 Frankly, I'm tired of listending to Mr. "D" stir up trouble.  Walter
 started this group, and generally it has been very civil.  It's time it
 was again.

 D, stop flaming.

 Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
 least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.



 <growl>
Feb 06 2002
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Richard Krehbiel" <rich kastle.com> writes:
"Russ Lewis" <spamhole-2001-07-16 deming-os.org> wrote in message
news:3C6052F1.E1FE0BEF deming-os.org...

 Frankly, I'm tired of listending to Mr. "D" stir up trouble.  Walter
 started this group, and generally it has been very civil.  It's time it
 was again.

 D, stop flaming.

 Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
 least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.


Just as a point of information, I think I recognize this guy.  The "s_nudds"
part of his email address suggests he's Scott Nudds.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=scott+nudds+comp.lang.c&hl=en

I'd say D's being quite civil...

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rich kastle.com (work) or krehbiel3 home.com (personal)
Feb 06 2002
next sibling parent "Juan Carlos Arevalo Baeza" <jcab JCABs-Rumblings.com> writes:
"Richard Krehbiel" <rich kastle.com> wrote in message
news:a3rdet$2d2l$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 Just as a point of information, I think I recognize this guy.  The


"s_nudds"

 part of his email address suggests he's Scott Nudds.

 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=scott+nudds+comp.lang.c&hl=en


   :)

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=scott+nudds+comp.lang.c&hl=en&selm=32F7ABA
C.794B%40vnet.ibm.com&rnum=9

---
We all know that C is substandard garbage.  We have all been bitten by
it.  We know that the future will abandon C.  But unlike some, I see no
reason to justify sloth that must be abandoned.
---

   Sounds like him alright. Either him or a copycat.
Feb 06 2002
prev sibling parent reply "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> writes:
 D, stop flaming.

 Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
 least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.


 Just as a point of information, I think I recognize this guy.  The


"s_nudds"

 part of his email address suggests he's Scott Nudds.

 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=scott+nudds+comp.lang.c&hl=en

 I'd say D's being quite civil...


You're right, it's Scott Nudds.   However I'd appreciate him not trying to
ram his opinions down everyone's throat... make a point (once, preferrably)
and let it rest.

Sean
Feb 06 2002
next sibling parent reply "Roberto Mariottini" <rmariottini lycosmail.com> writes:
"Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:a3rvk1$7pf$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 D, stop flaming.

 Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
 least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.


 Just as a point of information, I think I recognize this guy.  The


 "s_nudds"

 part of his email address suggests he's Scott Nudds.

 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=scott+nudds+comp.lang.c&hl=en

 I'd say D's being quite civil...


 You're right, it's Scott Nudds.   However I'd appreciate him not trying to
 ram his opinions down everyone's throat... make a point (once,


preferrably)

 and let it rest.


I don't think he's really Scott Nudds. Mr Nudds is a very fireproof troll,
he wouldn't stop after only some tenth of messages. It's probabily a
schoolboy that has read about this Mr. Nudds' adventures in books,
and now tries to emulate it.
Simply opening a "s_nudds" account on hotmail means nothing.
And the real Nudds wouldn't hide itself under an acronym.

Ciao
Feb 07 2002
parent reply "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
Gee. Am I all that famous?  In all the gin joints in all the world...
Snicker.

The D project exists for the very reasons I illustrated so long ago.
Please don't hate be because I'm superior.

Recommended reading (above) is still recommended..Ignore ergonomics and
systematics
at your own perril.

The all powerful mighty Nudds has spoken.

Roberto Mariottini <rmariottini lycosmail.com> wrote in message
news:a3tcmq$gq6$1 digitaldaemon.com...
I don't think he's really Scott Nudds. Mr Nudds is a very fireproof troll,

 he wouldn't stop after only some tenth of messages. It's probabily a
 schoolboy that has read about this Mr. Nudds' adventures in books,
 and now tries to emulate it.
 Simply opening a "s_nudds" account on hotmail means nothing.
 And the real Nudds wouldn't hide itself under an acronym.
Feb 07 2002
parent reply "Roberto Mariottini" <rmariottini lycosmail.com> writes:
"D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:a3u03m$rfo$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Gee. Am I all that famous?  In all the gin joints in all the world...
 Snicker.

 The D project exists for the very reasons I illustrated so long ago.
 Please don't hate be because I'm superior.

 Recommended reading (above) is still recommended..Ignore ergonomics and
 systematics
 at your own perril.

 The all powerful mighty Nudds has spoken.


Yes, you are Scott Nudds, and I am Bill Gates, write me at:
bill_gates55 hotmail.com

Ciao
Feb 07 2002
parent "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
Bill. How's it hanging?
You seem to have lost touch with reality recently Bill.  Must be all the yes
men
you have surrounded yourself with.

We need to talk about the quality of your companies software Bill.

Call me.  We'll do lunch.

Scott Nudds 905 560 0940


 "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
 news:a3u03m$rfo$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Gee. Am I all that famous?  In all the gin joints in all the world...
 Snicker.

 The D project exists for the very reasons I illustrated so long ago.
 Please don't hate be because I'm superior.

 Recommended reading (above) is still recommended..Ignore ergonomics and
 systematics
 at your own perril.

 The all powerful mighty Nudds has spoken.





Juarez Rudsatz <juarez correio.com> wrote in message
news:Xns910FCC6F35219juarezcorreio 63.105.9.61...

 Yes, you are Scott Nudds, and I am Bill Gates, write me at:
 bill_gates55 hotmail.com
Feb 09 2002
prev sibling parent reply "Pavel Minayev" <evilone omen.ru> writes:
"Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> wrote in message
news:a3rvk1$7pf$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 You're right, it's Scott Nudds.   However I'd appreciate him not trying to
 ram his opinions down everyone's throat... make a point (once,


preferrably)

 and let it rest.


Whoever is this guy, he did something that nobody before - he finally
made me find out how to set up Outlook to delete all messages from
a person immediately without any questions =)
Feb 08 2002
next sibling parent reply "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
In the long history of religion, self censorship for the purpose of willful
ignorance
stands out as the most vile crime of all.

The C religion is no different to any other religion in this respect.


 "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> wrote in message
 news:a3rvk1$7pf$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 You're right, it's Scott Nudds.   However I'd appreciate him not trying




to

 ram his opinions down everyone's throat... make a point (once,


 preferrably)

 and let it rest.




Pavel Minayev <evilone omen.ru> wrote in message
news:a40jvs$1p7g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Whoever is this guy, he did something that nobody before - he finally
 made me find out how to set up Outlook to delete all messages from
 a person immediately without any questions =)
Feb 09 2002
next sibling parent reply "Richard Krehbiel" <krehbiel3 comcast.net> writes:
People need to recognise Scott's rhetoric; forewarned is forearmed.

Notice the key words here:  "religion," "censorship," "ignorance," "vile,"
"crime."  Words carefully chosen to irrtate and enflame.

He's got lots of experience with this.  Go search for Scott Nudds on
groups.google.com, read and understand, and don't fall for it.

"D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a42s7e$hbg$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In the long history of religion, self censorship for the purpose of


willful

 ignorance
 stands out as the most vile crime of all.

 The C religion is no different to any other religion in this respect.


 "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> wrote in message
 news:a3rvk1$7pf$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 You're right, it's Scott Nudds.   However I'd appreciate him not






trying

 to

 ram his opinions down everyone's throat... make a point (once,


 preferrably)

 and let it rest.




 Pavel Minayev <evilone omen.ru> wrote in message
 news:a40jvs$1p7g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Whoever is this guy, he did something that nobody before - he finally
 made me find out how to set up Outlook to delete all messages from
 a person immediately without any questions =)
Feb 09 2002
parent "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
As is, D provides insufficient improvements over C/C++ for it to be adopted.

There are a multitude of C varients.  They have all failed for the same
reason.

The great and powerful Nudds has spoken.

You have been warned.

Richard Krehbiel <krehbiel3 comcast.net> wrote in message
news:a430nv$j7e$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 People need to recognise Scott's rhetoric; forewarned is forearmed.

 Notice the key words here:  "religion," "censorship," "ignorance," "vile,"
 "crime."  Words carefully chosen to irrtate and enflame.

 He's got lots of experience with this.  Go search for Scott Nudds on
 groups.google.com, read and understand, and don't fall for it.
Feb 10 2002
prev sibling parent reply "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> writes:
Are you willing to make yourself a martyr for your cause?  Because you're
getting dangerously close to being lynched.

Step on enough toes...

Sean

"D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a42s7e$hbg$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In the long history of religion, self censorship for the purpose of


willful

 ignorance
 stands out as the most vile crime of all.

 The C religion is no different to any other religion in this respect.


 "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> wrote in message
 news:a3rvk1$7pf$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 You're right, it's Scott Nudds.   However I'd appreciate him not






trying

 to

 ram his opinions down everyone's throat... make a point (once,


 preferrably)

 and let it rest.




 Pavel Minayev <evilone omen.ru> wrote in message
 news:a40jvs$1p7g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Whoever is this guy, he did something that nobody before - he finally
 made me find out how to set up Outlook to delete all messages from
 a person immediately without any questions =)
Feb 09 2002
parent reply "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
Threats of violence are not a substitute for reason  Mr. Palmer.
Violence is however often the way in which Religionists defend their
religion against reason.

Sean L. Palmer <spalmer iname.com> wrote in message
news:a444gl$14hl$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Are you willing to make yourself a martyr for your cause?  Because you're
 getting dangerously close to being lynched.

 Step on enough toes...
Feb 10 2002
parent reply "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> writes:
Let's see you reason yourself out of an ass-beating sometime.

It's reasonable not to tell people they're idiots just because you feel
yourself or your ideas to be superior.  Just pisses them off, doesn't really
accomplish anything except making people want to strangle you.

Get that through your thick skull.   Learn some people skills.  Spend less
time in front of the mirror.

Sean

"D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a45ffj$1mre$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Threats of violence are not a substitute for reason  Mr. Palmer.
 Violence is however often the way in which Religionists defend their
 religion against reason.

 Sean L. Palmer <spalmer iname.com> wrote in message
 news:a444gl$14hl$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Are you willing to make yourself a martyr for your cause?  Because




you're

 getting dangerously close to being lynched.

 Step on enough toes...
Feb 10 2002
next sibling parent reply "Robert W. Cunningham" <rwc_2001 yahoo.com> writes:
"Sean L. Palmer" wrote:


 ...
 Get that through your thick skull.   Learn some people skills.  Spend less
 time in front of the mirror.


Hey, go easy on the guy.  At least let him have his mirror.  You never know:
His mirror may be the only place where anyone ever looks at him.

After all, it seems he has lots and lots of places where nobody listens to
him.  And he seems unable to stop creating more such places.

His lack of people skills could be due to a genetic disease, mental defect, or
teenage bedwetting.  You never know.  Don't assume there is even the slightest
chance he could ever become "responsible" or "conversational".  Just be glad
that he keeps trying, no matter how hopeless the cause.  He should serve as an
inspiration to all people beset with severe life challenges.

It is far better to simply assume he is doing the best he can with what little
he's got.  If you were in a similar situation, with limited mental stability
and minimal emotional control, wouldn't you lash out at the world?  Would it be
inexcusable for anyone so crippled to do so?  Come on, have a heart.

So, let him rant as he chooses, and don't flame him back.  Be charitable.  Turn
the other cheek.  If you can't cope with the pain of reading his words, then
don't discourage him by responding with negativity.  If you must, silently
plonk his bits to the bit bucket.  I admit, I'm not strong enough to handle his
diatribes, so I have had to acknowledge my own weakness in this regard, and
have resigned myself to plonking his posts.

There is absolutely no need to reply to his rude abusive outbursts with the
same.  His lack of control does not excuse, and should never encourage, any
similar behavior on our part.


-BobC
Feb 10 2002
parent "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
Robert W. Cunningham writes:

 After all, it seems he has lots and lots of places where nobody listens to
 him.  And he seems unable to stop creating more such places.


Absolutely true. But I am kind and generous so I continue to defend reason
in the face
of overwhelming ignorance.  Such is the burden of superiority.


Robert W. Cunningham writes:

 So, let him rant as he chooses, and don't flame him back.  Be charitable.


Turn

 the other cheek.


Good advice Mr. Cunningham. I applaud you.


Robert W. Cunningham writes:

  If you can't cope with the pain of reading his words, then
 don't discourage him by responding with negativity.  If you must, silently
 plonk his bits to the bit bucket.  I admit, I'm not strong enough to


handle his

 diatribes, so I have had to acknowledge my own weakness in this regard,


and

 have resigned myself to plonking his posts.


I have found that the perverse world view of those who resort to your kind
of self
censorship Mr. Cunningham, much like anyone else who regularly engages in
self deception.

Closed minds are dead minds.  Particularly if they are inferior to begin
with.
Feb 11 2002
prev sibling parent "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
Sean L. Palmer writes:...

 Let's see you reason yourself out of an ass-beating sometime.


Threats of violence are not a substitute for reason  Mr. Palmer.
Violence is however often the way in which Religionists defend their
religion against reason.


Sean L. Palmer writes:...

 It's reasonable not to tell people they're idiots just because you feel
 yourself or your ideas to be superior.  Just pisses them off, doesn't


really

 accomplish anything except making people want to strangle you.


Mr Palmer.  I don't believe I have used the term "idiot" in reference to
anyone here.



Sean L. Palmer writes:...

 Get that through your thick skull.   Learn some people skills.  Spend less
 time in front of the mirror.


Logical men respond to logical argument with logical argument.
Children titter about the colour of their opponents underwear.
Feb 11 2002
prev sibling parent "Poly F. Morf" <hlrowe mindspring.com> writes:
"Pavel Minayev" <evilone omen.ru> wrote in message
news:a40jvs$1p7g$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Sean L. Palmer" <spalmer iname.com> wrote in message
 news:a3rvk1$7pf$1 digitaldaemon.com...


 You're right, it's Scott Nudds.   However I'd appreciate him not trying




to

 ram his opinions down everyone's throat... make a point (once,


 preferrably)

 and let it rest.


 Whoever is this guy, he did something that nobody before - he finally
 made me find out how to set up Outlook to delete all messages from
 a person immediately without any questions =)


ROTL

(define (standard-usenet-whiner s)
    (PLONK s))
==========================
(standard-usenet-whiner Scott-Nudds)

Regards,

Harry
Feb 09 2002
prev sibling parent reply Roland <rv ronetech.com> writes:
I take some time to read this thead, i had fun, really.
It is like a contest: Mr D vs the rest of the world.
I'm not sure the rest of the world will win.
Does it help D langage and Walter ?
Well does not hurt too much i think.
I just suggest the discussion move to "chat" group.

Roland


Russ Lewis a écrit :


 Frankly, I'm tired of listending to Mr. "D" stir up trouble.  Walter
 started this group, and generally it has been very civil.  It's time it
 was again.

 D, stop flaming.

 Everybody else, let's stop flaming back.  If he won't shut up, then at
 least stop responding to him and maybe he'll go away.

 <growl>

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Feb 11 2002
parent "D" <s_nudds hotmail.com> writes:
Roland is a smart man.

Roland <rv ronetech.com> wrote in message
news:3C68050F.2E366226 ronetech.com...

 I take some time to read this thead, i had fun, really.
 It is like a contest: Mr D vs the rest of the world.
 I'm not sure the rest of the world will win.
 Does it help D langage and Walter ?
 Well does not hurt too much i think.
 I just suggest the discussion move to "chat" group.

 Roland
Feb 12 2002