• Scott Egan (12/12) Apr 18 2004 I've looked around for answers but found none, so:
• C. Sauls (18/28) Apr 18 2004 Because if "%/std/c/windows.d" existed, then imports like
• Ant (4/12) Apr 18 2004 It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group.
• Walter (4/6) Apr 18 2004 The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm falling
• Lars Ivar Igesund (7/18) Apr 18 2004 Which is why I suggested to create a Phobos group some time ago.
• Phill (19/36) Apr 18 2004 I have now changed my mind and I agree with
• Scott Egan (18/58) Apr 19 2004 Noting Phill's comment on newbies (of which I am of course one of the
• Phill (18/33) Apr 19 2004 new
• Scott Egan (8/45) Apr 19 2004 I knew what you meant ;)
• Ilya Minkov (5/7) Apr 19 2004 As you're at reading, if i may suggest so, you could make a Q&A for
• J C Calvarese (7/18) Apr 19 2004 Kind of like an FAQ?
• Phill (8/9) Apr 19 2004 Bloody aussies :o))

"Scott Egan" <scotte tpg.com.aux> writes:

I've looked around for answers but found none, so:

1.    Why is windows.d's module name std.c.windows.windows instead of just
std.c.windows?

2.    Why does std.windows.iunknown exist when the functionality (which I
assume is to provide a std com base class) is achieved in std.c.windows.com?

3.    Has anyone written a std.c.windows.idispatch yet, if not, should I?

4.    Is there a socket library yet?

5.    If I want to contribute how do I - I notice that posting here doesn't
cut it as there is no 'official' feed back on my split idea.

6.    Would someone please have a look at the 'split' code I posted - I'd
really appreciate some advice on my interpretation of D.


Thanks,

"C. Sauls" <ibisbasenji yahoo.com> writes:

Comments imbedded:

 1.    Why is windows.d's module name std.c.windows.windows instead of just
 std.c.windows?

Because if "%/std/c/windows.d" existed, then imports like 
std.c.windows.registry would be looked for in that file.  Personally I 
think it needs work... it'd be nice to have source files with the same 
name as directories.

 2.    Why does std.windows.iunknown exist when the functionality (which I
 assume is to provide a std com base class) is achieved in std.c.windows.com?

Not sure.  I think its just temporary legacy stuff.

 3.    Has anyone written a std.c.windows.idispatch yet, if not, should I?

Not a COM person, dunno...

 4.    Is there a socket library yet?

Yep.  There's Vathix's library here:
http://www.dprogramming.com/socket.php

Or you can talk to Kris about testing the DSC beta which has some stream 
capabilities wrapped around that same socket module.  I haven't toyed 
with it myself just yet, so I can't vouch.  (Althoug DSC in general has 
been nice.)

 5.    If I want to contribute how do I - I notice that posting here doesn't
 cut it as there is no 'official' feed back on my split idea.

Sometimes it cuts it, sometimes it doesn't.  I think you just need to 
explicitly state that something is meant for Phobos, maybe email it to 
Walter, I'm not sure.

 6.    Would someone please have a look at the 'split' code I posted - I'd
 really appreciate some advice on my interpretation of D.

-C. Sauls
-Invironz

Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:22:15 -0500, C. Sauls wrote:

 Comments imbedded:
 
 5.    If I want to contribute how do I - I notice that posting here doesn't
 cut it as there is no 'official' feed back on my split idea.

 
 Sometimes it cuts it, sometimes it doesn't.  I think you just need to 
 explicitly state that something is meant for Phobos, maybe email it to 
 Walter, I'm not sure.

It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group.
He just can't, for whatever reason.

Ant

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:

"Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648 yahoo.ca...
 It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group.
 He just can't, for whatever reason.

The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm falling
further and further behind :-(

Lars Ivar Igesund <larsivar igesund.net> writes:

Walter wrote:

 "Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> wrote in message
 news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648 yahoo.ca...
 
It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group.
He just can't, for whatever reason.

 
 
 The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm falling
 further and further behind :-(
 
 

Which is why I suggested to create a Phobos group some time ago.
Nobody else agreed, though...

It's the only chance for Phobos to become something really great IMHO.
Whether any group of people is interested in taking the responsibility
is something else.

Lars Ivar Igesund

"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:

"Lars Ivar Igesund" <larsivar igesund.net> wrote in message
news:c5uja0$2sqq$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Walter wrote:

 "Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> wrote in message
 news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648 yahoo.ca...

It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group.
He just can't, for whatever reason.


 The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm falling
 further and further behind :-(

 Which is why I suggested to create a Phobos group some time ago.
 Nobody else agreed, though...

 It's the only chance for Phobos to become something really great IMHO.
 Whether any group of people is interested in taking the responsibility
 is something else.

I have now changed my mind and I agree with
you that there should be a group to work on
Phobos.

If I had the talent, I would love to help, but im
afraid that I dont have anywhere near as much
talent as the many others that frequent this group.

If you do get a group going to develop Phobos,
I suggest that it is only people that have used D
for a fair amount of time, because some new comers seem to believe that D
should have everything that their preferred language has, and nothing that
their preferred language doesnt have.

Just a novices opinion.

Phill.



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"Scott Egan" <scotte tpg.com.aux> writes:

Noting Phill's comment on newbies (of which I am of course one of the
newest): based on the threads I've seen I think we all, esp Walter, may
benefit from  few more structured groups, maybe:

d                            <- general language discussion
d.bugs                    <- specific bug discussions
d.phobos                <- general RTL discussion (general libs issues, new
libs, etc)
d.phobos.std.c        <- specific library discussion (inc bug, suggestions,
wishes)
d.phobos.std.widows.windows            <- etc

Thoughts?

PS: Assuming a newbie is allowed to suggest something as revolutionary as
this ;)
PPS: BTW I've started reading the posts from as far back as 13 Aug 01 to try
and 'd-newbie' myself!


"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
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 "Lars Ivar Igesund" <larsivar igesund.net> wrote in message
 news:c5uja0$2sqq$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Walter wrote:

 "Ant" <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> wrote in message
 news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648 yahoo.ca...

It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group.
He just can't, for whatever reason.


 The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm



falling
 further and further behind :-(

 Which is why I suggested to create a Phobos group some time ago.
 Nobody else agreed, though...

 It's the only chance for Phobos to become something really great IMHO.
 Whether any group of people is interested in taking the responsibility
 is something else.

 I have now changed my mind and I agree with
 you that there should be a group to work on
 Phobos.

 If I had the talent, I would love to help, but im
 afraid that I dont have anywhere near as much
 talent as the many others that frequent this group.

 If you do get a group going to develop Phobos,
 I suggest that it is only people that have used D
 for a fair amount of time, because some new comers seem to believe that D
 should have everything that their preferred language has, and nothing that
 their preferred language doesnt have.

 Just a novices opinion.

 Phill.



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"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:

"Scott Egan" <scotte tpg.com.aux> wrote in message
news:c605s2$28ou$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Noting Phill's comment on newbies (of which I am of course one of the
 newest): based on the threads I've seen I think we all, esp Walter, may
 benefit from  few more structured groups, maybe:

 d                            <- general language discussion
 d.bugs                    <- specific bug discussions
 d.phobos                <- general RTL discussion (general libs issues,

new
 libs, etc)
 d.phobos.std.c        <- specific library discussion (inc bug,

suggestions,
 wishes)
 d.phobos.std.widows.windows            <- etc

 Thoughts?

I didnt see a d.newbie in your list, that might be a good one.


With all of them groups, maybe there would
be a bit of an echo in one or two of the groups :o))


 PS: Assuming a newbie is allowed to suggest something as revolutionary as
 this ;)

Dont take me the wrong way, please. I wasnt talking about suggestions, I
meant
the actual decisions and development, should be done by people with a lot of
experience with D. These people propbably undestand Walters vision and
what is needed more than a new comer.

 PPS: BTW I've started reading the posts from as far back as 13 Aug 01 to

try
 and 'd-newbie' myself!

Now that is a lot of reading, good luck!





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"Scott Egan" <scotte tpg.com.aux> writes:

I knew what you meant ;)

I was was mucking around - I'll be more serious from now on...sorry...

But I do like the inclusion of a 'd.newbie' group, it'll help de-newbie
people ;)


"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:c607da$2at5$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Scott Egan" <scotte tpg.com.aux> wrote in message
 news:c605s2$28ou$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Noting Phill's comment on newbies (of which I am of course one of the
 newest): based on the threads I've seen I think we all, esp Walter, may
 benefit from  few more structured groups, maybe:

 d                            <- general language discussion
 d.bugs                    <- specific bug discussions
 d.phobos                <- general RTL discussion (general libs issues,

 new
 libs, etc)
 d.phobos.std.c        <- specific library discussion (inc bug,

 suggestions,
 wishes)
 d.phobos.std.widows.windows            <- etc

 Thoughts?

 I didnt see a d.newbie in your list, that might be a good one.


 With all of them groups, maybe there would
 be a bit of an echo in one or two of the groups :o))


 PS: Assuming a newbie is allowed to suggest something as revolutionary


as
 this ;)

 Dont take me the wrong way, please. I wasnt talking about suggestions, I
 meant
 the actual decisions and development, should be done by people with a lot

of
 experience with D. These people propbably undestand Walters vision and
 what is needed more than a new comer.

 PPS: BTW I've started reading the posts from as far back as 13 Aug 01 to

 try
 and 'd-newbie' myself!

 Now that is a lot of reading, good luck!





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Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:

Scott Egan schrieb:

 But I do like the inclusion of a 'd.newbie' group, it'll help de-newbie
 people ;)

As you're at reading, if i may suggest so, you could make a Q&A for 
newbies on the Wiki, so we don't have to go through all questions over 
and over.

-eye

J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

Ilya Minkov wrote:
 Scott Egan schrieb:
 
 But I do like the inclusion of a 'd.newbie' group, it'll help de-newbie
 people ;)

 
 
 As you're at reading, if i may suggest so, you could make a Q&A for 
 newbies on the Wiki, so we don't have to go through all questions over 
 and over.
 
 -eye

Kind of like an FAQ?
http://www.wikiservice.at/d/wiki.cgi?FaqRoadmap

Great idea!

-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:

"Scott Egan" <scotte tpg.com.aux> wrote in message
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 I knew what you meant ;)

Bloody aussies :o))

Phill.


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