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reply Georg Wrede <Georg_member pathlink.com> writes:
We're getting crowded here. Or, actually, the thread subjects are.
Should we split the D group?

I notice D containing some twenty thousand messages, while
all the others combined are only some eight thousand.

How about

D.newbies.installation
D.newbies.syntax
D.newbies.general
D.users.using
D.users.programming
D.windows.specific
D.linux.specific
D.devel.bugs
D.devel.compiler
D.devel.language
D.devel.opinions
D.devel.other

Currently the newsgroups list gives the impression that D is
just a side thing for Digital Mars.  ;-)
Dec 06 2003
next sibling parent reply one_mad_alien hotmail.com writes:
In article <bqt0tm$2nvj$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Georg Wrede says...

We're getting crowded here. Or, actually, the thread subjects are.
Should we split the D group?

I notice D containing some twenty thousand messages, while
all the others combined are only some eight thousand.

How about

D.newbies.installation
D.newbies.syntax
D.newbies.general
D.users.using
D.users.programming
D.windows.specific
D.linux.specific
D.devel.bugs
D.devel.compiler
D.devel.language
D.devel.opinions
D.devel.other


I agree that splitting up the news group would be good (as would getting a
better web interface!)

but I think that it should be broken into a few groups so ppl know where to post

D.newbies  --  all newbie question 
D.windows  --  windows only stuff
D.linux    --  linux only stuff
D.bugs     --  all bug reports / workarounds etc
D.future   --  all things pertaining to the future of D i.e. syntax changes etc
D.general  --  all other stuff

Mike.
Dec 06 2003
parent reply "Dan Liebgold" <dliebgold yahoo.com> writes:
<one_mad_alien hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bqt3ke$2s78$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In article <bqt0tm$2nvj$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Georg Wrede says...



 D.newbies  --  all newbie question
 D.windows  --  windows only stuff
 D.linux    --  linux only stuff
 D.bugs     --  all bug reports / workarounds etc
 D.future   --  all things pertaining to the future of D i.e. syntax


changes etc

 D.general  --  all other stuff


Good idea. But even that is too many groups, I think. What if you have a
windows only bug that may just be a question?
I think:

D.bugs        -- compiler bugs only
D.future      -- new language feature or change discussion
D.general    -- everything else: documentation, example code, libraries,
newbie questions, editors, etc. etc..

Dan L.



 Dec 06 2003



  parent reply "Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting comcast.net>  writes:


All great ideas, weve been pushing for seperate groups forever I don think
it will ever happen, im pretty sure the  Jan never reads these, think he's
in charge of NNTP stuff.

C
"Dan Liebgold" <dliebgold yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 <one_mad_alien hotmail.com> wrote in message
 news:bqt3ke$2s78$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 In article <bqt0tm$2nvj$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Georg Wrede says...



 D.newbies  --  all newbie question
 D.windows  --  windows only stuff
 D.linux    --  linux only stuff
 D.bugs     --  all bug reports / workarounds etc
 D.future   --  all things pertaining to the future of D i.e. syntax


 changes etc

 D.general  --  all other stuff


 Good idea. But even that is too many groups, I think. What if you have a
 windows only bug that may just be a question?
 I think:

 D.bugs        -- compiler bugs only
 D.future      -- new language feature or change discussion
 D.general    -- everything else: documentation, example code, libraries,
 newbie questions, editors, etc. etc..

 Dan L.





 Dec 06 2003



  parent reply J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net>  writes:


Charles Sanders wrote:

 All great ideas, weve been pushing for seperate groups forever I don think
 it will ever happen, im pretty sure the  Jan never reads these, think he's
 in charge of NNTP stuff.
 


This hasn't happened yet because Walter hasn't been convinced yet.

And I think he's right. (But some we'll need some more groups someday.)

In my mind, the best suggestion yet has been Dan Liebgold's 3 categories:

D.bugs    -- compiler bugs only
D.future  -- new language feature or change discussion
D.general -- everything else: documentation, example code, libraries,
newbie questions, editors, etc. etc..




One problem is that even if the definitions are well-defined it can be 
to figure out what the proper category is.

For example, a person might have some code that won't run.  They start a 
thread in D.bugs.  Someone replies that it won't run because D doesn't 
contain that feature.  Then the original poster and others reply to that 
  post and explain why they should have that feature rather than start a 
new post in the D.future group.  Often the threads in the current group 
drift in topic as they go along.

The "Unicode operators" thread turned into "Using Unicode with 
Newsreader clients" (that was my fault).

"Template instantiation" turned into "$ as array end token".

But eventually as traffic grows, these concerns are less important and 
the need for more organization overrides the challenges of posting in 
the right category.  Maybe we're closer to that day than I realize.

Justin


 C
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In article <bqt0tm$2nvj$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Georg Wrede says...


D.newbies  --  all newbie question
D.windows  --  windows only stuff
D.linux    --  linux only stuff
D.bugs     --  all bug reports / workarounds etc
D.future   --  all things pertaining to the future of D i.e. syntax


changes etc


D.general  --  all other stuff


Good idea. But even that is too many groups, I think. What if you have a
windows only bug that may just be a question?
I think:

D.bugs        -- compiler bugs only
D.future      -- new language feature or change discussion
D.general    -- everything else: documentation, example code, libraries,
newbie questions, editors, etc. etc..

Dan L.







 Dec 06 2003



  parent reply J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au>  writes:


J C Calvarese wrote:


 One problem is that even if the definitions are well-defined it can be 
 to figure out what the proper category is.

 For example, a person might have some code that won't run.  They start 
 a thread in D.bugs.  Someone replies that it won't run because D 
 doesn't contain that feature.  Then the original poster and others 
 reply to that  post and explain why they should have that feature 
 rather than start a new post in the D.future group.  Often the threads 
 in the current group drift in topic as they go along.


I agree.  Also keeping this as one group, keeps the D population in one 
location.  Many of the advanced coders may tend to hang around 
particular groups and be more likely to miss newbie questions.  Or, as 
would probably happen, only one of the newsgroups is used allot and so 
the other groups aren't read (the egg in the chicken thing).

Also, you'd probably get an increase in those annoying (and many-times 
nasty) "your off topic" replies to threads that are slightly off topic.  
Which results in having the exactly the same message posted again the in 
another group.

-Anderson



 Dec 07 2003



 next sibling parent  "Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting comcast.net>  writes:


Does no-one use irc anymore ?

If we could populate irc.dprogramming.com #d then we could have a realtime
place to discuss for newbies and advanced alike.

So come one all!

C


"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:br0h2b$2a4e$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 J C Calvarese wrote:


 One problem is that even if the definitions are well-defined it can be
 to figure out what the proper category is.

 For example, a person might have some code that won't run.  They start
 a thread in D.bugs.  Someone replies that it won't run because D
 doesn't contain that feature.  Then the original poster and others
 reply to that  post and explain why they should have that feature
 rather than start a new post in the D.future group.  Often the threads
 in the current group drift in topic as they go along.


 I agree.  Also keeping this as one group, keeps the D population in one
 location.  Many of the advanced coders may tend to hang around
 particular groups and be more likely to miss newbie questions.  Or, as
 would probably happen, only one of the newsgroups is used allot and so
 the other groups aren't read (the egg in the chicken thing).

 Also, you'd probably get an increase in those annoying (and many-times
 nasty) "your off topic" replies to threads that are slightly off topic.
 Which results in having the exactly the same message posted again the in
 another group.

 -Anderson





 Dec 07 2003



prev sibling  parent  Georg Wrede <Georg_member pathlink.com>  writes:


In article <br0h2b$2a4e$1 digitaldaemon.com>, J Anderson says...

J C Calvarese wrote:


 One problem is that even if the definitions are well-defined it can be 
 to figure out what the proper category is.




..

I agree.


..

Also, you'd probably get an increase in those annoying (and many-times 
nasty) "your off topic" replies to threads that are slightly off topic.  


I know. And knowing that I still suggested splitting this up.
The logic is just that things like "how do I call a C library from D"
and "having multiple return values from functions that consolidate
the returns from an OS specific library" aren't really targeted
for the same audience.

Personally I believe that even the gurus will look at the "trivial"
groups once they've read all of their own newsgroup. (It's kinda
addictive, no?)

What I'd like is that we'd have an explicit policy that states that
it really doesn't matter where you post. So nothing can ever be "in
the wrong topic". It's just to get _some_ variety. Like one day you
might want to only read the advanced theoretics, and another the
newbie questions, depending on your mood. (Chances are that you end
up having read all the groups anyway, but this still may bring some
structure to D news.)

Another thing is that many of the rookie questions would be answered
first by sophomores, which saves quite some typing for the gurus. Of 
course, the gurus probably would skim the newbie group anyhow, and
while at it they'd correct the "wrong" sophomore answers. But still,
less typing trivia and more time for the Really Important D Things.

The Sophomores probably won't even feel comfortable answering any
kind of questions now while the Ultra Guru Things dominate the topic?

Maybe just two newsgroups?



 Dec 07 2003



prev sibling  parent reply J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au>  writes:


Georg Wrede wrote:


We're getting crowded here. Or, actually, the thread subjects are.
Should we split the D group?

I notice D containing some twenty thousand messages, while
all the others combined are only some eight thousand.

How about

D.newbies.installation
D.newbies.syntax
D.newbies.general
D.users.using
D.users.programming
D.windows.specific
D.linux.specific
D.devel.bugs
D.devel.compiler
D.devel.language
D.devel.opinions
D.devel.other

Currently the newsgroups list gives the impression that D is
just a side thing for Digital Mars.  ;-)

  


What about these 2 groups ;)

D
D.switchstatement



 Dec 11 2003



  parent  "Matthew Wilson" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org>  writes:


We're getting crowded here. Or, actually, the thread subjects are.
Should we split the D group?

I notice D containing some twenty thousand messages, while
all the others combined are only some eight thousand.

How about

D.newbies.installation
D.newbies.syntax
D.newbies.general
D.users.using
D.users.programming
D.windows.specific
D.linux.specific
D.devel.bugs
D.devel.compiler
D.devel.language
D.devel.opinions
D.devel.other

Currently the newsgroups list gives the impression that D is
just a side thing for Digital Mars.  ;-)


 What about these 2 groups ;)

 D
 D.switchstatement


LOL!



 Dec 11 2003