• "Kar Gay Lim" <kagay kimay.net> Jan 18 2001
• "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> Jan 18 2001
• Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> Jan 19 2001
• "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> Jan 18 2001
• Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> Jan 19 2001
• "Kar Gay Lim" <kagay kimay.net> Jan 22 2001
• Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> Jan 22 2001
• "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> Jan 22 2001
• Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> Jan 22 2001
• Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> Jan 19 2001

I have seen so far Walter and Jan has been doing these with
passions. I just want to know whether some form of financially
contributions/donation may be good for all?

BTW, I have been forwarding the announcements to Ron Burk
at Windows Development Journal (www.wdj.com) and he has
printed one at the reader's forum.

Ron Burk does know who Walter is but I think DMC is not
being used by Ron Burk.  A while ago when Symantec was
still selling the product, the bug lists, performance tests would
include SC++.  One good mention before was that when SC7.20
had a bug, Walter sent him the 7.21 patch in a matter of hours.

I just wonder whether we should do a bit more pushing at WDJ
for DMC ?  Perhaps you guys might already have...

The product is a bit of a work in progress at the moment, so I wouldn't feel
right about charging money for it. I do appreciate the thought, though! And
heck, I'm enjoying myself working on it, and I think Jan is too.

-Walter


Kar Gay Lim wrote in message <94872b$1k62$1 digitaldaemon.com>...
I have seen so far Walter and Jan has been doing these with
passions. I just want to know whether some form of financially
contributions/donation may be good for all?

BTW, I have been forwarding the announcements to Ron Burk
at Windows Development Journal (www.wdj.com) and he has
printed one at the reader's forum.

Ron Burk does know who Walter is but I think DMC is not
being used by Ron Burk.  A while ago when Symantec was
still selling the product, the bug lists, performance tests would
include SC++.  One good mention before was that when SC7.20
had a bug, Walter sent him the 7.21 patch in a matter of hours.

I just wonder whether we should do a bit more pushing at WDJ
for DMC ?  Perhaps you guys might already have...

Walter wrote:

 And heck, I'm enjoying myself working on it, and I think Jan is too.


Sure am, other wise I would not be doing it believe me!

Jan

Perhaps Ron can be invited to join in this newsgroup?


Kar Gay Lim wrote in message <94872b$1k62$1 digitaldaemon.com>...
I have seen so far Walter and Jan has been doing these with
passions. I just want to know whether some form of financially
contributions/donation may be good for all?

BTW, I have been forwarding the announcements to Ron Burk
at Windows Development Journal (www.wdj.com) and he has
printed one at the reader's forum.

Ron Burk does know who Walter is but I think DMC is not
being used by Ron Burk.  A while ago when Symantec was
still selling the product, the bug lists, performance tests would
include SC++.  One good mention before was that when SC7.20
had a bug, Walter sent him the 7.21 patch in a matter of hours.

I just wonder whether we should do a bit more pushing at WDJ
for DMC ?  Perhaps you guys might already have...

Walter wrote:

 Perhaps Ron can be invited to join in this newsgroup?


I guess we could, but what I think what really would break in is a
complete product in an InstallShield....

Jan

Personally I like Wise Installations.  Most applications that I do
are SC++/DMC++ and Installshield need a bit of mucking around.
(not sure about later versions... ).  Installshield is probably better
for VB programmer.

Wise seems to work better with SC++/DMC++ based on my
own experience..

Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
news:3A688865.64AD8676 smartsoft.cc...
 Walter wrote:

 Perhaps Ron can be invited to join in this newsgroup?


 I guess we could, but what I think what really would break in is a
 complete product in an InstallShield....

 Jan

I have never looked at Wise Install. I use InstallShield Express 2.11 for
everything. All I do is DMC++. I have InstallShield figured out far enough
to make sure that the several patches for Win95/98 are being installed.
I might take a peek at Wise if I had time and money to get a version. For
now I will have to stick with InstallShield for these reasons.

Jan



Kar Gay Lim wrote:

 Personally I like Wise Installations.  Most applications that I do
 are SC++/DMC++ and Installshield need a bit of mucking around.
 (not sure about later versions... ).  Installshield is probably better
 for VB programmer.

 Wise seems to work better with SC++/DMC++ based on my
 own experience..

 Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
 news:3A688865.64AD8676 smartsoft.cc...
 Walter wrote:

 Perhaps Ron can be invited to join in this newsgroup?


 I guess we could, but what I think what really would break in is a
 complete product in an InstallShield....

 Jan

Me, I like xcopy installs <g>. I don't like anything that mucks with the
registry, environment, system dlls, etc.


Kar Gay Lim wrote in message <94if77$pbm$1 digitaldaemon.com>...
Personally I like Wise Installations.  Most applications that I do
are SC++/DMC++ and Installshield need a bit of mucking around.
(not sure about later versions... ).  Installshield is probably better
for VB programmer.

Wise seems to work better with SC++/DMC++ based on my
own experience..

Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
news:3A688865.64AD8676 smartsoft.cc...
 Walter wrote:

 Perhaps Ron can be invited to join in this newsgroup?


 I guess we could, but what I think what really would break in is a
 complete product in an InstallShield....

 Jan

So do I... Or PKZip installs for that matter...
Howver, there are quite a number of users out there that don't...

Jan



Walter wrote:

 Me, I like xcopy installs <g>. I don't like anything that mucks with the
 registry, environment, system dlls, etc.

 Kar Gay Lim wrote in message <94if77$pbm$1 digitaldaemon.com>...
Personally I like Wise Installations.  Most applications that I do
are SC++/DMC++ and Installshield need a bit of mucking around.
(not sure about later versions... ).  Installshield is probably better
for VB programmer.

Wise seems to work better with SC++/DMC++ based on my
own experience..

Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
news:3A688865.64AD8676 smartsoft.cc...
 Walter wrote:

 Perhaps Ron can be invited to join in this newsgroup?


 I guess we could, but what I think what really would break in is a
 complete product in an InstallShield....

Kar Gay Lim wrote:

 I have seen so far Walter and Jan has been doing these with
 passions. I just want to know whether some form of financially
 contributions/donation may be good for all?


Well, I just LOVE the compiler. In many ways I feel like a owe it the
things I do as it has allowed me to build my current life as it is.
It is and has been the greatest software development tool for me for
at least the last 10 years!
Because of my early usage of the compiler I have been able to build a
little business of my own. I work from my home and have been for
longer than 10 years...

I have been thinking about putting a "Gift Button" on the site for
those that want to financially support. Although, the hours spent on
support are numerous and I would charge any US company at least
$125/hour.

 BTW, I have been forwarding the announcements to Ron Burk
 at Windows Development Journal (www.wdj.com) and he has
 printed one at the reader's forum.

 Ron Burk does know who Walter is but I think DMC is not
 being used by Ron Burk.  A while ago when Symantec was
 still selling the product, the bug lists, performance tests would
 include SC++.  One good mention before was that when SC7.20
 had a bug, Walter sent him the 7.21 patch in a matter of hours.

 I just wonder whether we should do a bit more pushing at WDJ
 for DMC ?  Perhaps you guys might already have...


I have been forwarding Ron everything I have got so far. Especially
the design by contract stuff. One of the things that came up is that
I wanted to create an InstallShield for the product so that an
install would be easy for everyone.
This way we could provide anyone as Ron with an InstallShield to make
it easy on them. Also, when we want to commercialize the product
again we will need to have an Install/Uninstall feature. I don't like
it, but that seems to be the way the world works these days...

Jan