• Nicholas Jordan <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> Aug 07 2005
• "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> Aug 08 2005
• Nicholas Jordan <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> Aug 09 2005
• "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> Aug 09 2005
• Nicholas Jordan <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> Aug 21 2005
• "Rajiv Bhagwat" <dataflow vsnl.com> Aug 11 2005
• Nicholas Jordan <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> Sep 04 2005
• "Walter Bright" <newshound digitalmars.com> Sep 04 2005
• Nicholas Jordan <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> Sep 06 2005
• "Walter Bright" <newshound digitalmars.com> Sep 06 2005
• Nicholas Jordan <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> Sep 11 2005
• Nicholas Jordan <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> Sep 10 2005

I was trying to get going using the IDDE from the cd-rom - just banging around
and I got a compiler error that the function prototype mismatched the
definition.  When I went to look, it looked really squirrely:

/////// forward function declarations ////////
namespace the 
{
`//takes char *, returns line count
size_t __stdcall ascii_string(char* in_buffer,size_t count_,size_t bufsize_);
//takes a generic string and returns an int
__inline signed int __stdcall  chopper(char * in_,size_t len_);


is what it is supposed to looklike, but for some reason the declaration looked
like this:

namespace the
{
ascii_string(char* in_buffer,size_t count_,size_t bufsize_);//takes char *,
returns line count
__inline signed in
size_t __stdcall t __stdcall  chopper(char * in_,size_t len_);//takes a generic
string and returns an int

notice the misplaced t, which is supposed to be the t in int , the return type

I have been working on this project for years and have decided to go to another
compiler other than the Mighty Cash Cow - I know from experience the way to get
up is to start fixing compiler errors, but I never heard of an editor trashing
your source code ... some of the guys who work in this industry are ace_smart
and I would like for somebody to tell me how to report this without getting them
irked at me.

Nicholas Jordan - ab5_041 inbox.com
"The only dumb question is one you should have asked and didn't."

I've never seen that happen before.

In article <dd77kk$21hl$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
I've never seen that happen before.


behavior several times before reporting - including using one or two other
editors to revert to correct - and it would come up as reported; or would not
have brougth this up.

Nicholas Jordan 
http://www.docdubya.com/belvedere/statement.html

"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
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 In article <dd77kk$21hl$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
I've never seen that happen before.




 behavior several times before reporting - including using one or two other
 editors to revert to correct - and it would come up as reported; or would


 have brougth this up.


I believe you, it's just that the editor has been unchanged for many years,
and nobody else has reported it. So something is unique about your setup.

In article <ddc0ve$1kj7$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:dda6nh$286s$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In article <dd77kk$21hl$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
I've never seen that happen before.




 behavior several times before reporting - including using one or two other
 editors to revert to correct - and it would come up as reported; or would


 have brougth this up.


I believe you, it's just that the editor has been unchanged for many years,
and nobody else has reported it. So something is unique about your setup.


non-trivial class hirearchy and pretty much have to get used to a different 'way
of doing things' while reading all of the documentation and it's just a question
of knowing where to look.

More work to do before continuing this.

A suggestion:
Get hold of a Hex-editor and check your source for any non-printable
characters, esp. around the place where chars are disappearing.
Worth a try.
- Rajiv


"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:dda6nh$286s$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In article <dd77kk$21hl$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
I've never seen that happen before.




 behavior several times before reporting - including using one or two other
 editors to revert to correct - and it would come up as reported; or would


 have brougth this up.

 Nicholas Jordan
 http://www.docdubya.com/belvedere/statement.html

In article <ddfi6d$1ht$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Rajiv Bhagwat says...
A suggestion:
Get hold of a Hex-editor and check your source for any non-printable
characters, esp. around the place where chars are disappearing.
Worth a try.
- Rajiv


I am certianly aware of this - Textpad is the only editor with which I know how
to open the file in hex right now ( is there a hex-editor that ships with the
IDDE ? )

Be though it may, embarrassing, it could be a crashing sys ... Win32 defrag.exe
is starting to sift throught the first several hundred little boxes like teflon
on ice - previously this occured right before total system failure and trying to
squeeze the last little production out of what I have accomplished so far B4 the
disk fails or something; I noted the IDDE was using binary (non-printable)
characters to do much of it's work ~ So I did a Format logical drive K: and
started a new project - this time using only the editor that ships with the IDDE
to the greatest extent possible.

This seemed to make the compiler less likely to point to errors that were
difficult for me to understand, so I went about preening the 500 or so lines of
source that I had accomplished so far of functions that I found myself always
trying to write or find, I will need these later as a toolkit anyway, to follow
the coding style of STL and console programs.  I got to the point moments ago of
a 0 error build and the IDDE gleefully launched the linker --- trashing my
soaring spirit with a Blizzard of linker errors.

This all came down to the Guard Def's method - which I know will ultimately make
a tangled web of conditional compilations and unexpanded macros, so I set about
the task of putting everthing that was in methods.h into methods.cpp and
including methods.h at the top of the file - that would be the manner instructed
as I read the doc's - placing function signature's in the header file:  This
seemed to be the recommended method and all that I could understand led me to
believe I could ultimately refine a library that I could use when writing
programs.

This all went fine for the first few functions, then with switches:

sc -cpp -HO -mn -C -o+time -WA -Pz -S -3 -a8 -c -H -HDL:\lst -e -gf -sc
methods.cpp -cpp -HO -mn -C -o+time -WA -Pz -S -3 -a8 -c -H -HDL:\lst -e -gf
-Deq_=== -D_CONSOLE=1 -IL:\dm\stlport\stlport -oL:\lst\methods.obj

I get:

Fatal Error: L:\itc\methods.cpp(88): internal error cgobj 3141
Lines Processed: 52386  Errors: 1
Build failed

In the output window when I transferred my hashing function.  Editor problem not
as pressing right now. Compiler asks for a semicolon after an opening curley
brace:   namespace the { [ same with several places in stl ] And also a 'number
not representable'  Warning that I do not know how to fix.

Got any suggestions ? I have no idea where to look to fathom these issues and
have several toolkit's I really need to work on right now - especially
implementing Knuth 3.3 - instead of Goin South on what is internal to the
compiler.

"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:dda6nh$286s$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In article <dd77kk$21hl$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
I've never seen that happen before.




 behavior several times before reporting - including using one or two other
 editors to revert to correct - and it would come up as reported; or would


 have brougth this up.

 Nicholas Jordan
 http://www.docdubya.com/belvedere/statement.html

"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
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 In the output window when I transferred my hashing function.  Editor


 as pressing right now. Compiler asks for a semicolon after an opening


 brace:   namespace the { [ same with several places in stl ] And also a


 not representable'  Warning that I do not know how to fix.

 Got any suggestions ? I have no idea where to look to fathom these issues


If the solution isn't apparent, the most reliable way to find out what is
going on is to make a copy of the project, and then start deleting parts of
it until what triggers the error becomes obvious.

In article <dfgem7$b86$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter Bright says...
"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:dfg0lh$18v$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In the output window when I transferred my hashing function.  Editor


 as pressing right now. Compiler asks for a semicolon after an opening


 brace:   namespace the { [ same with several places in stl ] And also a


 not representable'  Warning that I do not know how to fix.

 Got any suggestions ? I have no idea where to look to fathom these issues


If the solution isn't apparent, the most reliable way to find out what is
going on is to make a copy of the project, and then start deleting parts of
it until what triggers the error becomes obvious.


keyword for now, then got back to where I was;

Linker error: Previous Definition Different

Figured out how to run:
Digital Mars Librarian Version 8.00n

But that did not resolve the problem because I couldn't read the assembly
listing - The guard def's method seems to be the only way to work on this, but I
may be misunderstanding #pragma once and the idea I had was to move the includes
around so that the include chain only pulls in from one point, the file where
main() is.

Seems intuitive that if a header is only included once, then there should not be
multiple entry points for function signatures in that file. Also the
relationship between how .h and .cpp files is handled in the compile process is
beyond my skills at this point.

Nick

"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
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If the solution isn't apparent, the most reliable way to find out what is
going on is to make a copy of the project, and then start deleting parts




it until what triggers the error becomes obvious.




 keyword for now, then got back to where I was;

 Linker error: Previous Definition Different

 Figured out how to run:
 Digital Mars Librarian Version 8.00n

 But that did not resolve the problem because I couldn't read the assembly
 listing - The guard def's method seems to be the only way to work on this,


 may be misunderstanding #pragma once and the idea I had was to move the


 around so that the include chain only pulls in from one point, the file


 main() is.

 Seems intuitive that if a header is only included once, then there should


 multiple entry points for function signatures in that file. Also the
 relationship between how .h and .cpp files is handled in the compile


 beyond my skills at this point.


If the project still is #include'ing files, then it hasn't been cut down to
the minimum. It may seem unhelpful, but I really really recommend reducing
your project to the minimum, and I mean the minimum, that reproduces the
problem. This takes the guesswork out of what might be going wrong.

In article <dfkkbm$1dru$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter Bright says...
"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
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...

If the project still is #include'ing files, then it hasn't been cut down to
the minimum. It may seem unhelpful, but I really really recommend reducing
your project to the minimum, and I mean the minimum, that reproduces the
problem. This takes the guesswork out of what might be going wrong.


processing of some 70,000 lines ( 0 error builds often ) the namespace issue
continues ... I had stripped out everything from methods.cpp that was not
essesntial building blocks for my toolkit and gotten to fast, clean builds
except for the number not representable in limits.h 

I later tried putting the namespace feature back in and got the same error:
in someheader.h:

namespace the
{
int func(char in_, size_t len_)
{
.....
}
}
in somefile.cpp:

int ret_val = the::func();

Compiler gives same error - semicolon expected.

I can write a really bare-bones hello-yokel that doesn't include anything - as
the compiler author, you are the authority on the matter.  I understand unique
about my setup can have quite a range of shades and implicatons, but I got an
editor mangles source using the class editor a few hours ago, and was careful to
go look at it using Textpad before anything faded away. Is this/these editors
really primitive ? I haven't gotten to the skills of writing an editor, so this
is a straight-up question.


Nick

In article <dfgem7$b86$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter Bright says...
"Nicholas Jordan" <Nicholas_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:dfg0lh$18v$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In the output window when I transferred my hashing function.  Editor


 as pressing right now. Compiler asks for a semicolon after an opening


 brace:   namespace the { [ same with several places in stl ] And also a


 not representable'  Warning that I do not know how to fix.

 Got any suggestions ? I have no idea where to look to fathom these issues


If the solution isn't apparent, the most reliable way to find out what is
going on is to make a copy of the project, and then start deleting parts of
it until what triggers the error becomes obvious.


Obvious was that I had more work to do before bothering more accomplished
people; Following is work done 4am to 10 am this morning and taken into work
machine for posting:

--------lenghty post---------

Got to the point of L:\out\exe\itc.EXE built:
Lines Processed: 51784  Errors: 0  Warnings: 0
'Successful build' - in the output window
by tinkering and reading html docs, but don't really know what
I did (or didn't do) that got me to this point. prob chmod as discussed in docs

Per plan, I will beef out my toolkit of func()'s, replacing code that generated
errors earlier and figure out test harnesses that will look for likely fail
points; but to do this, I will need to understand the Compiler & Tools universe
in much greater detail.

Don't mean to be pesky, but numerous details await clarification:

What does the line:
ren L:\out\exe\$SCW$.EXE itc.EXE
mean ?

What is new.h doing showing up in my project window ?
Did I put in there by accident ?

Should itc.lib be added to the project using project/edit dialog ?
It is intended to be a library of funcs()'s for future use
in builds and projects ... needs to be automatically rebuilt
anytime the object files it is built from are updated.

What is -o+time on the command line to sc ?
file://J:\dm\html\ctg\sc.html#dasho gives speed as an optimization, but does not
say anything about this op

Conceptual view of static keyword: This means file scope or :: ?
Seems to vary more by which book one is reading than by implementation.
It is consequential to my project design whether an outer scope variable
is in the Global - all over the place - namespace or is restricted  to
file scope. Also, not totally disrelated in my thinking, the fact that
a file (as a compilation unit) is sometimes called a translation unit
in cs discussions has nothing to do with the TLB ? Safety controls that
are obvious to me for a commercial grade product could be implemented in
a robust manner if there is a powerful, speed-intensive frame of operation
available for use between keystrokes of the user. Such things as Horstmann's
Safe STL become useful tools for templating run-time checks that could
[ ... could ... ] exit the program in a controlled manner with a record
if some small probability failure mode was not accounted for in  coding.

<em>Page faults would affect this design paramater.</em>

If I know that my entire operating universe is, by project design,
'Win32 Console Application'
can I eliminate the #ifdef _WINIO bracketed source code in main() ?
(I did already and it seems to work,
too many issues for me to be guessing here)

Issue of sizeof(unsigned long) v. sizeof(unsigned int):
_ultoa() - but no uitoa() // unsigned int to ascii
function in the standard library - is this correct ?

Obviously _ultoa(static_cast<unsigned long>(value),...) But this builds
into all efforts the morass of fixing thousands of lines code later to
arise at some distant, unforseen point in the future: Fun to contemplate
but not productive if this effort leads to large-scale projects.

What is Write Block in the drop-down menu ?

There seems to be no equivilent to ctl-tab command to tab through the
Z-ordering of viewable editor spaces common to Win32 editors ...
this command keyspace is occupied by 'go to next error'... correct ?

RVO; do it like this:
bool func(void* inVal = 0)
{
bool ret_val(inVal);
..
return ret_val;
}

NOT:  (???)
bool func(void* inVal = 0)
{
{
{
{
bool ret_val(inVal);// deeply nested declaration of ret_val
}
}
}

return ret_val;
}

In dm\html\ctg\sc.html (Friday, October 22, 2004 2:35:26 AM)
(up late that night, huh Walter ?)
  line 1103:
</dl></dl>
<pre>

The preformatted tag has no matching </pre> from there to eof - the
closest </pre> is at line 989 before it. I do not know how to use
the <dl>tag</dl> let alone the intended construct<dl><dl></dl></dl>